Solve Ehrenfest's Theorem: Find Position Expectation Value

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a solution to Ehrenfest's Theorem, specifically regarding the expectation value of position for a particle confined to a circle. Participants explore the implications of using a complex exponential function in this context and seek to understand the relationship between classical and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "finding a solution to Ehrenfest's Theorem" in the context of a particle on a circle.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster should demonstrate their understanding and efforts before seeking help, implying a need for personal engagement with the material.
  • A participant mentions the equation m*(d^2/dt^2) = as a relevant result but questions whether it can be applied when using instead of a linear variable like .
  • One participant proposes comparing classical and quantum values for force and energy for a particle confined to a circle, suggesting the use of classical Lagrangian mechanics.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster found success in applying the advice given, though details of this success are not elaborated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion shows a mix of agreement on the need for personal effort in understanding the problem, but there is no consensus on the applicability of Ehrenfest's Theorem in the context of a complex variable or on the approach to take with classical mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of Ehrenfest's Theorem to non-linear variables and the relationship between classical and quantum mechanics in this specific scenario.

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I have been asked to "find a solution to Ehrenfest's Theorem" (in this case for the expectation value of position, of a particle confined to a circle). What does this mean - what kind of answer should i find?
 
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Thankyou, I have searched many times on google and other search engines, and have found (as on the websites you have shown me) that

m*(d^2/dt^2)<x> = <F>

which is a result of the form that I am looking for. But instead of <x> I have <exp(I*theta)>, so a function of theta, as I am interested in a particle confined to a circle. I have not been able to find out whether or not I can still use this same equation (despite my <exp(I*theta)> not being a linear variable like <x>). Please understand my problems with this; I am not trying to get someone else to do my homework for me - if you have never found it hard to do your 'homework', then you are very lucky.
 
I don't remember all the details, but I thought for a potential proportional to r^2, you should expect out the classical value for such quantities as force and energy. You might want to try finding the classical value of the force for a particle confined to a circle using classical lagrangian mechanics, I don't think its that hard, and compare this answer to the quantum ananlog. Just an idea.
 
thanks!

Thanks spdf13,
I've tried what you said and I think it has worked...
Cheers!
:smile:
 

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