How Do You Differentiate This Complex Logarithmic Function?

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The discussion focuses on differentiating the complex logarithmic function f(x) = [ln(x) {{1-e^(3x)}^3}] / [{1+e^(3x)}^3x]. Participants emphasize the importance of applying differentiation rules such as the product and quotient rules. They recommend breaking the function into manageable parts, specifically defining R(x) = P(x)/Q(x) to simplify the differentiation process. Tools like Mathematica are suggested for avoiding errors in practical applications, while resources such as Wikipedia are recommended for understanding derivative rules.

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Who can slove this one:

f(x) = [ln(x) {{1-e^(3x)}^3}] / [{1+e^(3x)}^3x]

f '(x) = ¿¿¿¿??
 
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Again, please show your work for this homework question. What methods of differentiation do you know of?
 
alba_ei,

This is not difficult but a little bit long to write.
What is your objective?
Is it for some homework, or do you have a practical application?

For an homework, the result would not be helpful for you, only the method matters.
There are only known functions in this expression: products, divisions, logarithm, exponential.
Reading a table of derivatives rules and a bit of patience is enough.
On wiki you can find the basis about derivatives and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative" .

For a practical application, more details would be needed to decide how to proceed for the best result.
If this derivative is the only one in the project, then using a software like Mathematica could avoid any typing error.
If you only need numerical results, then "Numerical Recipes" explains what to care for.

Michel
 
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alba_ei,

As lalbatros suggests, this may be long and messy. But consider breaking this down into managable parts. For example, let your function be

f(x) = ln(x)*R(x)

where R(x) = P(x)/Q(x)

Then, apply the various rules of differentiation (product, quotient, etc) to perform the derivative. Start simply, and break each component down.

For example, start with

f'(x) = [ln(x)]' * R(x) + ln(x) *R'(x)

In the end, you should be able to find an expression for f'(x) in the form

f'(x) = R(x) * W(x)

where W(x) = 1/x + ln(x) * s(x) (you find s(x))

Give it a try, and come back if you still get stuck.
 
well, I saw that derivate on some past exam so the last night I remmember it and post it, just for curiosity because I can't slove it.

f(x) = ln(x)*R(x)

where R(x) = P(x)/Q(x)

I get stuck when I try to get the derivate of R(x).
 
alba_ei said:
I get stuck when I try to get the derivate of R(x).

Use the quotient rule: R'(x)=\frac{Q(x)P'(x)-P(x)Q'(x)}{Q(x)^2}
 
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