Solve for Echo Time in Saltwater and Air - Physics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving sound propagation in different mediums, specifically saltwater and air. The scenario describes a boat near a cliff where the captain sounds a horn, and participants are tasked with calculating the additional time it takes for the echo to return from the air after it has already returned from the water.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of distance based on sound speed and time, questioning the interpretation of the distance covered by sound in water and air. There are discussions about the correct distance to use and the implications of the time taken for echoes to return.

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The discussion includes various attempts to calculate the additional time for the echo in air, with some participants providing different interpretations of the distance and time calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including comparisons of sound speeds in different mediums.

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Participants note discrepancies in the distance calculations and the implications of the echo's travel time, indicating a need for clarity on the problem setup and assumptions about sound propagation.

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The Question:
A boat is floating at rest in dense fog near a large cliff. The captain sounds a horn at water level and the sound travels through the salt water (1470 m/s) and the air (340 m/s) simultaneously. The echo in the water takes 0.40s to return. How much additional time will it take the echo in the air to return?

relevant equations: v=d/t

My answer:
d = v∆t

d = 1470*0.40

d = 588/2 (I checked online for this question, some ppl got different answers due to this part; 558/2 or just 588?)

d = 294m

294/340 = 0.86s

0.86-0.40 = 0.46

Additional time = 0.46s
 
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bilalsyed25 said:
d = 588/2 (I checked online for this question, some ppl got different answers due to this part; 558/2 or just 588?)

d = 294m
Realize that the sound must travel to the cliff and back.
 
bilalsyed25 said:
The Question:
A boat is floating at rest in dense fog near a large cliff. The captain sounds a horn at water level and the sound travels through the salt water (1470 m/s) and the air (340 m/s) simultaneously. The echo in the water takes 0.40s to return. How much additional time will it take the echo in the air to return?

relevant equations: v=d/t

My answer:
d = v∆t

d = 1470*0.40

d = 588/2 (I checked online for this question, some ppl got different answers due to this part; 558/2 or just 588?)

d = 294m

294/340 = 0.86s

0.86-0.40 = 0.46

Additional time = 0.46s

If something takes ##0.4s## to cover a distance and something else takes an extra ##0.46s## to cover the same distance, then the faster thing must be moving approx twice as fast as the slower thing. Is ##1,470m/s## approx twice ##340 m/s##?

Using this logic can you estimate the answer (approx) in your head?
 
Okay, The distance from water is 294 . But for time for echo via air to be heard , t: (2*294)/340 ; 1.73 so addirional time is 1.73-0.4; 1.3seconds
 
bilalsyed25 said:
The Question:
A boat is floating at rest in dense fog near a large cliff. The captain sounds a horn at water level and the sound travels through the salt water (1470 m/s) and the air (340 m/s) simultaneously. The echo in the water takes 0.40s to return. How much additional time will it take the echo in the air to return?

relevant equations: v=d/t

My answer:
d = v∆t

d = 1470*0.40

d = 588/2 (I checked online for this question, some ppl got different answers due to this part; 558/2 or just 588?)

d = 294m

294/340 = 0.86s

0.86-0.40 = 0.46

Additional time = 0.46s
Why you didnt multiply the distance 294m when finding the time through the air?
 
Nestory said:
Why you didnt multiply the distance 294m when finding the time through the air?
:welcome:

This thread is three years old and the OP has hopefully graduated by now.
 

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