Solve Physics Echo Problem: Air Echo Returns 1.33s Later

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The problem involves a boat in dense fog sounding a horn, with the sound traveling through both water and air to create an echo. The focus is on calculating the additional time it takes for the echo in the air to return after the echo in the water has been accounted for.

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  • Participants discuss two different attempts at calculating the time for the echo in the air, with one approach yielding a total time and the other focusing on the additional time. Questions arise regarding the correctness of each method and the interpretation of the problem's requirements.

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Some participants express confidence in one of the attempts, suggesting it aligns with the question's intent. Others are exploring similar problems, indicating a broader context of inquiry without reaching a definitive consensus.

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The discussion includes varying interpretations of the problem's requirements, particularly regarding whether to consider total journey time or just the additional time for the echo in the air. There is also a mention of the original poster seeking clarification on the correctness of their processes.

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Homework Statement


A boat is floating at rest in dense fog near a cliff. The captain sounds a horn at water level and the sound travels through the salt water (1470 m/s) and the air (340 m/s) simultaneously. The echo in the water takes 0.40s to return. How much additional time will it take the echo in the air to return?

Homework Equations


v = Δd/Δt

The Attempt at a Solution


First Attempt:
v = Δd/Δt

Δd = v Δt = (1470 m/s) (0.40 s) = 588 m

Δt = Δd/v = 588m / 340 m/s = 1.73 s

Δt = 1.73 s – 0.40 s = 1.33 s

The echo in the air took 1.33 s longer to return.

Second Attempt:
I was thinking that 1.73 s would be the total time, so then I would have to divide 1.73 s by 2 to get the return time (0.865 s). Then I would subtract 0.40s from 0.865 s to get the additional time it took the echo to return, which would be 0.465 s. Like this:

v = Δd/Δt

Find total time:
Δd = v Δt = (1470 m/s) (0.40 s) = 588 m

Δt = Δd/v = 588m / 340 m/s = 1.73 s

Then find return time:
1.73 s/2 = 0.865 s
Then find additional time:
0.865 s - 0.40s = 0.465 s

The echo in the air took 0.465 s longer to return.

Please help me figure out which process is correct, if they even are correct :)

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pretty sure your 1st answer is correct. The question is not asking about the return journey, but total journey time - 0.4s in total for the underwater echo, so the question is looking for the difference in total time
 
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I am doing a similar qts
 
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Thanks so much for your help, mgkii :)
 

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