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The discussion revolves around finding the coordinates of a square that surrounds three unit circles, each passing through the centers of the other two. The problem involves geometric properties and relationships between the circles and the square, including tangency conditions and the positions of the circles' centers relative to the square's vertices.

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  • One participant describes the configuration of three unit circles and a square, specifying the coordinates of the square's vertices as $A=(0,0)$, $B=(a,0)$, $C=(a,a)$, and $D=(0,a)$.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of a previous answer but requests clarification on a specific statement regarding the tangency of the circles to the square.
  • A participant notes a misunderstanding about the distance $\tau_2M$, indicating that it is not relevant to the proof being discussed.
  • There is mention of a difficulty in providing a visual representation of the solution due to technical issues with drawing software.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of certain claims, but there are unresolved questions regarding specific statements and the relevance of certain distances in the proof. The discussion contains elements of clarification and requests for further explanation.

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Some assumptions about the configuration of the circles and the square may not be fully articulated, and the relevance of certain distances in the geometric relationships remains unclear.

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Three unit circles $C_1$, $C_2$ and $C_3$ in a plane have the property that each circle passes through the centres of the other two. A square $ABCD$ surrounds the three circles in such a way that each of its four sides is tangent to at least one of $C_1$,$C_2$ and $C_3$. $A=(0,0)$, $B=(a,0)$, $C=(a,a)$ and $D=(0,a)$. The centre of $C_2$ lies inside the $\Delta ABC$ and centre of $C_3$ lies inside the $\Delta ACD$. Find the value of $a$.
 
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Since there are three circles, and four sides, by the PHP, there has
to be two adjacent sides of the square $S$ that is tangent to the same circle.
WLOG, assume that is $C_1$, and the point where these two tangents meet
is $A$. Let's label $\tau_1, \tau_2, \tau_3$ be the centers of
circle $C_1, C_2, C_3$ respectively such that $\tau_2$ is in $\triangle ABC$
and $\tau_3$ is in $\triangle ACD$.

Consider two tanget points $P$ and $Q$ of $C_1$ to the square. (Specifically,
let $P$ be on side $AB$ and $Q$ on $AD$.) Because they
form a right angle, the quadrilateral $AP\tau_1Q$ is a square, and is
proportional to $\square ABCD$, therefore the points $A, \tau_1, C$ are colinear.
Moreover, this line also passes through the other point of intersection of
circle $C_2$ and $C_3$.

Now consider the feet of the perpendiculars of $\tau_2$ to side $AB$ and $BC$,
and label them $M$ and $N$ respectively. We have that $\tau_2M = \tau_2N = \tau_1P = \tau_1Q = 1$
since they are all radii of the unit circle. We also have: (1) $\tau_1\tau_2 = 1$.
(2) the triangle formed by the centers, $\triangle \tau_1\tau_2\tau_3$ is equilateral,
so $\angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2 = 60^\circ$. (3) Since $\angle P\tau_1Q = 270^\circ$ and
given (2) and that line $AC$ bisects it, $\angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 = \frac 12 (270^\circ - 60^\circ) = 105^\circ$.

We then have:
\begin{align}
PM &= \tau_1\tau_2 \cos(180^\circ - \angle Q\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= \cos(180^\circ - \angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 - \angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= - \cos (\angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 + \angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= - \cos (165^\circ) = \frac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt 2}4.
\end{align}

Finally, we have that $AB = AP + PM + MB$. We know $MB = AP = 1$,
so the length of the square is $2 + \frac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt 2}4$.
 
magneto said:
Since there are three circles, and four sides, by the PHP, there has
to be two adjacent sides of the square $S$ that is tangent to the same circle.
WLOG, assume that is $C_1$, and the point where these two tangents meet
is $A$. Let's label $\tau_1, \tau_2, \tau_3$ be the centers of
circle $C_1, C_2, C_3$ respectively such that $\tau_2$ is in $\triangle ABC$
and $\tau_3$ is in $\triangle ACD$.

Consider two tanget points $P$ and $Q$ of $C_1$ to the square. (Specifically,
let $P$ be on side $AB$ and $Q$ on $AD$.) Because they
form a right angle, the quadrilateral $AP\tau_1Q$ is a square, and is
proportional to $\square ABCD$, therefore the points $A, \tau_1, C$ are colinear.
Moreover, this line also passes through the other point of intersection of
circle $C_2$ and $C_3$.

Now consider the feet of the perpendiculars of $\tau_2$ to side $AB$ and $BC$,
and label them $M$ and $N$ respectively. We have that $\tau_2M = \tau_2N = \tau_1P = \tau_1Q = 1$
since they are all radii of the unit circle. We also have: (1) $\tau_1\tau_2 = 1$.
(2) the triangle formed by the centers, $\triangle \tau_1\tau_2\tau_3$ is equilateral,
so $\angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2 = 60^\circ$. (3) Since $\angle P\tau_1Q = 270^\circ$ and
given (2) and that line $AC$ bisects it, $\angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 = \frac 12 (270^\circ - 60^\circ) = 105^\circ$.

We then have:
\begin{align}
PM &= \tau_1\tau_2 \cos(180^\circ - \angle Q\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= \cos(180^\circ - \angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 - \angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= - \cos (\angle Q\tau_1\tau_3 + \angle \tau_3\tau_1\tau_2) \\
&= - \cos (165^\circ) = \frac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt 2}4.
\end{align}

Finally, we have that $AB = AP + PM + MB$. We know $MB = AP = 1$,
so the length of the square is $2 + \frac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt 2}4$.

Thanks for your participation magneto, your answer is correct!

Is it possible for you to post an image for your solution, the following statement isn't obvious to me:
We have that $\tau_2M = \tau_2N = \tau_1P = \tau_1Q = 1$

How do you conclude $\tau_2M=\tau_2N=1$? Both the sides $AB$ and $BC$ are not tangent to $C_2$, only one of them is, right?
 
You are right, $\tau_2M \neq 1$, as $C_2$ is tangent to $S$ at $N$ only. However, looking at the proof, I realize distance $\tau_2M$ does not matter.

I will try to get a picture up, but Google drawing was flaking out on me when I tried earlier.
 

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