Solve Fusion Energy Equation: High School Physics Errors

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The discussion revolves around the correct application of equations related to energy release in nuclear reactions, particularly focusing on binding energy and mass-energy equivalence. Participants are examining discrepancies in textbook examples and external resources, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with errors in their textbook regarding the equations for energy release, noting different formulations leading to conflicting results.
  • Another participant states that in nuclear reactions, a mass difference results in energy according to E = mc², with positive energy indicating a loss of mass.
  • A third participant highlights the confusion surrounding binding energy, clarifying that while binding energy is a positive value, a larger binding energy indicates a nucleus with less energy.
  • A participant provides a specific example from their textbook, questioning the application of mass differences in calculating energy release.
  • Another participant points out that the masses mentioned in the example are not binding energies and emphasizes the relationship between mass and binding energy in the context of nuclear reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct application of the equations, with multiple competing views and interpretations of binding energy and mass-energy relationships remaining unresolved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of binding energy and mass, as well as the specific contexts of the equations presented. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the same concepts without resolving the mathematical discrepancies.

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I'm taking high school physics, and I've had problems in the past with flat out errors in my textbook (I've brought them up here). It's incredibly frustrating when your trying to understand something.

Anyways, I need to know which is right:

The text in my book goes through to explain,

energy released = (Eb(f) - Eb(i))C^2

or Change in E=(Mf - Mi)C^2

Fine. This gives me a negative answer, which has already given me headaches, but these turned into a eureka moment for me when I realized this was "less energy" required to be stable, or binding energy.

So now, the textbook goes on to do more then 1 example, and in all of them it's,

energy released = (Eb(i) - Eb(f))C^2

or Change in E=(Mi - Mf).

These give different answers. This website say's

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/howtosolveit/Nuclear/Energy_of_Nuclear_Change.htm

and Physics forums has this example

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=241916

Both contradict each other, or am I wrong?!

Thanks
 
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I won't comment on your specific examples, since I don't know what they are referring to. However in any (nuclear) reaction where there is a mass difference, the difference ends up as energy with E = mc2. If the reaction involves a loss of mass, the energy is positive. If the reaction has a gain in mass, it means energy has to be supplied to make it happen.
 
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The definition of binding energy can be confusing, as binding energy is a positive value, but a larger binding energy means the nucleus has less energy.

The first set of equations is right apart from the factor of c^2 in the first line.
 
hmm, I'm still a little confused. Here's an example straight out of my book.

"Calculate the energy released when three Helium-4 nuclei combine to form a carbon-12 nucleus"

Book example follows the principle (mi-mf)

or: (3*4.002603u - 12u) = 0.007809u

However, when it is explaining the process, it explains that (mf - mi) = (change in)E

or: (12u - 3*4.002603u) = -.007809u
 
Those are the actual nuclei masses, not the binding energies.

A larger mass corresponds to a smaller binding energy, so there you have to take the opposite difference.

See mathman, calculate the mass before and after the reaction, that is the easiest way to see what happens.
 
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