Solve Homogeneous Function f(x,y) w/ Euler's Rule

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The discussion revolves around solving for a homogeneous function of order 3, specifically using Euler's rule and the properties of partial derivatives. Participants explore the implications of given partial derivatives at different points and the form of the function itself.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a homogeneous function of order 3 and expresses confusion about the differing points for the function and its partial derivatives.
  • Another participant proposes a specific form for the function, suggesting it can be expressed as a linear combination of known homogeneous functions of degree 3.
  • A subsequent reply questions the choice of the proposed function form, asking for the reasoning behind it.
  • Further discussion highlights that the general case for a homogeneous function of degree 3 could include additional terms, indicating that there may be infinitely many solutions.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the properties of homogeneous functions and how they relate to the problem, noting that the vectors involved are multiples of each other, which could simplify the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the form of the function or the completeness of the proposed solutions. Multiple competing views on the function's structure and the implications of the properties of homogeneous functions remain evident.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the completeness of the function form proposed and the implications of the conditions given for the partial derivatives. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the necessity of including all possible terms for a general solution.

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Hello,

I need some help with this question here, I'll explain why in a second. The question is:

f(x,y) is a homogeneous function of order 3. It is known that:

\[f_{x}(2,1)=7\]

and

\[f_{y}(8,4)=5\]

find f(12,6).

Now, I know of Euler's rule, which includes the partial derivatives, but in the question the (x,y) point if different between f, fx, and fy, I am confused. Can you assist please ? :confused:

Thanks !

(Final answer should be 1030.5)
 
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Yankel said:
Hello,

I need some help with this question here, I'll explain why in a second. The question is:

f(x,y) is a homogeneous function of order 3. It is known that:

\[f_{x}(2,1)=7\]

and

\[f_{y}(8,4)=5\]

find f(12,6).

Now, I know of Euler's rule, which includes the partial derivatives, but in the question the (x,y) point if different between f, fx, and fy, I am confused. Can you assist please ? :confused:

Thanks !

(Final answer should be 1030.5)

You can reasonably suppose that the unknown function has the form...

$\displaystyle f(x,y)= a\ x^{2}\ y + b\ x\ y^{2}\ (1)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle f_{x} = 2\ a\ x\ y + b\ y^{2}$

$\displaystyle f_{y} = a\ x^{2} + 2\ b\ x\ y\ (2)$

Now a and b can be found inserting in (2) the conditions $f_{x} (2,1)=7$ and $f_{y}(8,4)=5$ and solving the 2 x 2 linear system...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Thanks.

Can I take you back to the first stage ? How did you know / decide that this is the form of the function ? Based on what ?
 
Yankel said:
Thanks.

Can I take you back to the first stage ? How did you know / decide that this is the form of the function ? Based on what ?

Particular homogeneous functions of degree 3 are $f_{1}=x^{2}\ y$ and $f_{2}=x\ y^{2}$, so that any linear combination of them like $f(x,y) + c_{1}\ f_{1} + c_{2}\ f_{2}$ is also a homogeneous function of degree 3. But why don't include also $f_{3}= x^{3}$ and $f_{4} = y^{3}$?... that's right, and that means that the general case is $f(x, y) = c_{1}\ f_{1} + c_{2}\ f_{2} + c_{3}\ f_{3} + c_{4}\ f_{4}$ and Your problem has infinity solutions...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Yankel said:
Hello,

I need some help with this question here, I'll explain why in a second. The question is:

f(x,y) is a homogeneous function of order 3. It is known that:

\[f_{x}(2,1)=7\]

and

\[f_{y}(8,4)=5\]

find f(12,6).

Now, I know of Euler's rule, which includes the partial derivatives, but in the question the (x,y) point if different between f, fx, and fy, I am confused. Can you assist please ? :confused:

Thanks !

(Final answer should be 1030.5)
A homogeneous function $f$ of order $k$ has the properties (i) its partial derivatives are homogeneous of order $k-1$; (ii) $f(\alpha \vec{v}) = \alpha^kf(\vec{v})$ (for any scalar $\alpha$ and vector $\vec{v}$); (iii) [Euler's theorem] $\vec{v}\cdot \nabla f(\vec{v}) = k f(\vec{v})$.

The useful feature of this question is that all the vectors are multiples of each other. In fact, $(12,6) = 6(2,1) = \frac32(8,4)$. By (i), the partial derivatives of $f$ are homogeneous of order $2$. It follows from (ii) that $f_x(12,6) = 6^2f_x(2,1)$ and $f_y(12,6) = \bigl(\frac32\bigr)^2f_y(8,4).$ You can then use (iii) to find $f(12,6).$
 

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