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The discussion revolves around solving the equation involving absolute values: |x − 1| = 1 − x. Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including squaring both sides and considering cases based on the definition of absolute value.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest squaring both sides of the equation as a method to solve it.
  • Others propose considering the cases where (x - 1) is positive and negative to analyze the equation.
  • A participant points out that the original question is not about an inequality but rather an absolute value equation.
  • One participant claims that the first condition yields x=0 as a solution, while the second condition allows all real numbers as solutions.
  • Another participant challenges this claim by providing a counterexample (x=5) to illustrate that not all real numbers satisfy the equation.
  • There is a correction regarding the solution, indicating that the solution seems to be x ≤ 1 based on checking values around the critical point.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the clarity of certain explanations provided by others in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the claim that all real numbers satisfy the equation, with some providing counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete set of solutions, with different interpretations of the conditions leading to varying conclusions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including unresolved mathematical steps and the dependence on definitions of absolute value. The scope of the problem is also noted to be broader than initially framed.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in understanding absolute value equations, exploring different solution methods, and engaging in mathematical reasoning and debate.

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Does anyone can solve the following equation?

|x − 1| = 1 − x

Thanks

Tom
 
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Yes I can. Thanks for inquiring!
 
Sorry, that's unfair - it's your first post. Can you show us the work you have so far? Do you understand what absolute value means?
 
tomcenjerrym said:
Does anyone can solve the following equation?

|x − 1| = 1 − x

Thanks

Tom
Square both sides. And see what you get.
 
Kummer said:
Square both sides. And see what you get.
A more introductory way is to consider (x -1) as separately positive, and negative.

If x - 1 is positive, then x - 1 = 1 - x;
If x - 1 is negative, then x - 1 = -(1 - x )
 
tomcenjerrym said:
Does anyone can solve the following equation?

|x − 1| = 1 − x

Thanks

Tom

Actually, that is not an inequality question; but an absolute value equation.
 
If you have |a| = -a, what is the only way this can be true?
 
Sorry, that's unfair - it's your first post. Can you show us the work you have so far? Do you understand what absolute value means?

This is the solutions which is done by myself:

|x − 1| = 1 − x
x − 1 = ±(1 − x)

First
x − 1 = +(1 − x)
= 1 − x

Second
x − 1 = −(1 − x)
= −1 + x
= x − 1

By |x| = ±x properties.

Actually, that is not an inequality question; but an absolute value equation.

That's absolutely correct. I mean ABSOLUTE VALUE QUESTION. Thanks for remind me about that.

Square both sides. And see what you get.

Why should I square-ing both sides of them? This is the most question I want to know in the ABSOLUTE VALUE. As I can read on Calculus book, there is no rules about SQUARE on absolute value except the |x| = √x^2 one. Can you explain me further about this?
 
tomcenjerrym - Your first condition yields x=0 as a solution; and your second condition allows ALL real numbers as solutions. All real numbers will satisfy the equation.
 
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symbolipoint said:
tomcenjerrym - Your first condition yields x=0 as a solution; and your second condition allows ALL real numbers as solutions. All real numbers will satisfy the equation.

No they won't. Take x=5 as an example |5-1|=|4|=4, but 1-5=-4, so in this case |x-1| does not equal 1-x, hence it is obviously not true for all real numbers. There is, however, a subset of the real numbers (with more than a single element) that satisfies the above equation.
 
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d_leet said:
No they won't. Take x=5 as an example |5-1|=|4|=4, but 1-5=-4, so in this case |x-1| does not equal 1-x, hence it is obviously not true for all real numbers. There is, however, a subset of the real numbers (with more than a single element) that satisfies the above equation.
You're correct. I was not careful enough when I solved the problem. We must watch around the critical point. The first part indicates x=1. When we check a value less than 1, we find equality; when we check a point greater than 1, we do not find equality.

The solution seems to be x<=1
 
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If you have |a| = -a, what is the only way this can be true?

I like nicktacik way to solve the problem. It’s simple and easy to understand. Thank you very much nicktacik and thank you to everyone too.
 
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The title "Inequality Question" is thus not entirely wrong, since the solution is an inequality.
 
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#12
nicktacik,

ya, his answer was kind of making me suddenly awake!
 

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