Solve log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving the logarithmic equation log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0, which falls under the subject area of logarithmic functions and algebra.

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  • Participants explore the application of logarithmic properties, particularly focusing on combining logarithms with the same base. There are attempts to manipulate the equation by multiplying and dividing logarithmic expressions. Some participants express confusion about the correctness of their algebraic steps and seek clarification on the logarithmic rules applied.

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Several participants are engaged in clarifying the logarithmic properties and addressing misunderstandings. There is acknowledgment of the need to check the validity of potential solutions derived from the quadratic equation formed during the discussion. Participants are considering the implications of irrational roots and the necessity of verifying solutions against the original equation.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that any solutions found do not lead to invalid logarithmic expressions, such as log of a negative number. Participants are also navigating the implications of the base of the logarithm being 5 rather than 10, which has influenced their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Solve:

log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

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The Attempt at a Solution



I feel like this is really simple but I cannot get the answer.

This is what I attempted

Since they have the same base, I multiplied the top

log5[(x-1)(x-2)] - log5(x+6) = 0

This gives me

log5(x2-3x+2) - log5(x+6) = 0

At this point I did not now what to do, I tried 2 methods,

1.
Since they are the same base again, I divided the top this time

log5(x2-3x+2) / (x+6) = 0

but I don't know how to continue

2.

I moved - log5(x+6) to the other side

log5(x2-3x+2) = log5(x+6)

Since they have the same base I ignored them so

x2-3x+2 = x+6

Which gave me

x2 - 4x - 4

Which cannot be factored.

Please help, thankyou :)
 
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What you've done is incorrect because the rule of logarithms is

\log{a}+\log{b} = \log{ab}

But

a^m\cdot a^n = a^{m+n}\neq a^{mn}

See if you can apply these algebraic formulae to correctly answer your question.
 
Mentallic said:
\log{a}+\log{b} = \log{ab}

I did use this logarithm law, since the base for all of them are common.

Acnhduy said:
log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

log5[(x-1)(x-2)] - log5(x+6) = 0

This gives me

log5(x2-3x+2) - log5(x+6) = 0
But

Mentallic said:
a^m\cdot a^n = a^{m+n}\neq a^{mn}
I did not use at all throughout. I am not sure where I have gone wrong, can you point it out for me?
 
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What is

\log{a^m}+\log{a^n}

equivalent to?
 
Oh, I think I found the problem... 5 is the base, not 10.

So this is the correct equation:

log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

Terribly sorry, would my calculations be correct following the equation above?
 
Acnhduy said:
Oh, I think I found the problem... 5 is the base, not 10.

So this is the correct equation:

log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

Terribly sorry, would my calculations be correct following the equation above?

Oh, in that case, you're on the right track in #2 in your first post. x^2-4x-4=0 cannot be factored in the manner you're thinking of, but it does have irrational roots. Use the quadratic formula to find them.

Also, keep in mind that some (or even all) of your x solutions might not be valid. You need to plug them back into the original equation to see if it makes sense. If you end up with log(-1) for example, then that solution of x needs to be scrapped.
 
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Acnhduy said:

Homework Statement



Solve:

log5(x-1) + log5(x-2) - log5(x+6) = 0

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


2.

I moved - log5(x+6) to the other side

log5(x2-3x+2) = log5(x+6)

Since they have the same base I ignored them so

x2-3x+2 = x+6

Which gave me

x2 - 4x - 4 = ??

Which cannot be factored.

Please help, thankyou :)

What is x2 - 4x - 4 equal to?

It should be a quadratic equation, can you solve it? The roots need not be integer numbers!

ehild
 
Oh I see, thank you!
 
x2 - 4x - 4 = 0

When you mean that they do not need to be intergers, how do I go about solving? As suggested by Mentallic, I would have to use the quadratic formula right?
 
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The quadratic formula is the easiest method, but completing the square works too if you don't remember the formula.

x^2-4x-4=0

Now add 4 to both sides.
(x^2-4x+4)-4=4

(x-2)^2-4=4

etc.

This is how the quadratic formula is derived. Begin with

ax^2+bx+c=0

and then complete the square to solve for x.
 

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