Solve Math Problem: Add Red Marbles for 60% Red

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the addition of red marbles to a jar containing red and green marbles, with the goal of achieving a specific percentage of red marbles. Participants explore different methods to solve the problem, including setting up equations and using proportions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt to solve the problem using a method that leads to an incorrect conclusion about the number of red marbles needed.
  • Another participant suggests forming an equation based on the number of red marbles to be added, indicating that the total number of marbles will change with the addition of red marbles.
  • A different approach is proposed, emphasizing that the percentage calculations must consider the changing total number of marbles, leading to a correction of the initial method.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the misunderstanding regarding the calculation of the remaining percentage of red marbles needed, stating that proportions change as the total number of marbles changes.
  • Another participant introduces a proportional reasoning approach, suggesting that the number of green marbles can be used to derive the total needed for the desired percentage of red marbles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct method to solve the problem, with some agreeing on the need for a proper equation while others challenge the initial reasoning. The discussion remains unresolved as multiple approaches are presented without consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the initial reasoning regarding the combination of percentages from different bases and the need to account for changing totals when adding marbles.

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Hi,
I got the following problem from a GRE book. They have provided a method but i am trying to solve it using a different method. My answer is wrong.

Q.A jar contains 10 red marbles & 30 green ones. How many red marbles must be added to the jar so that 60% of the marbles will be red?Sol. Current percentage of red marbles is:

10/40 * 100 = 25%

This means we have to add 35% more red marbles:

x/(x+40) * 100 = 35

100x = 35x + 1400

65x = 1400

X= 22 (Answer is not correct).Some body please guide me what is my mistake.Zulfi.
 
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Ten red marbles, and 30 green marbles to start. This as a percent red marbles is 10/(10+30)=10/40=25/100=25%.

Question is, how many red marbles to add, r, so that the concentration of red marbles becomes 60%.
Adding the r number of red marbles will increase both the number of red marbles, AND the total number of marbles.
Now, would you use that to form a good equation, and solve it for r ?
 
Welcome to PF zak100!

Let x=no of red ones to be added

(X+10)/total = 60/100

Complete the expression for total in the denominator. And solve for x

AM
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Hi,

Thanks for your reply:

(X+10)/(X+40) = 6/10

X = 35Actually this solution is provided in the book. Right now the quantity of red balls is 10 which is 25%. I want to find out the remaining 35% of the red balls & then add that quantity with 10 (which is 25%) to find the whole 60% of red balls. How I can do it in that way.x/(x+40) * 100 =35x = 22

Total red balls = 22 + 10 = 32This is a wrong answer. Is it possible to do it in that way.Zulfi.
 
You just stated the correct equation. Solving it (the correct one, not the incorrect one) will give your "X" for how many red balls to add.
 
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
How can we determine the remaining 35%?

Zulfi.
 
zak100 said:
Hi,
I got the following problem from a GRE book. They have provided a method but i am trying to solve it using a different method. My answer is wrong.

Q.A jar contains 10 red marbles & 30 green ones. How many red marbles must be added to the jar so that 60% of the marbles will be red?Sol. Current percentage of red marbles is:

10/40 * 100 = 25%

This means we have to add 35% more red marbles:
This is your mistake. Percentages are always percents of some base. You cannot arithmetically combine percents of different bases.
Your "25%" is 25% of 10+ 30= 40 marbles. The "60%" that you get by adding marble is 60% of the larger number of marbles you now have after adding red marbles. Instead, let r be the number of red marbles you added. So you have 10+ r read marbles and 40+ r total marbles.

(Editted by Mentor)

From there you should be able to complete the problem.
 
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zak100 said:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
How can we determine the remaining 35%?

Zulfi.
You can't just determine the remaining 35% because the proportions change as the total number of marbles changes. (x+10)/(x+40) always gives the proportion of red marbles. 30/(x+40) always gives you the proportion of green marbles. If the proportion of red is 60% the proportion of green is 40%. So the other approach would be to set the green proportion to 40%.

AM
 
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We can also solve it using proportion,
Since after adding some red marbles green marbles will be ##40\%##

So, the total marbles will be-
Make the proportion,

##\dfrac{30}{x}=\dfrac{40}{100}##

##40x=3000##

##x=\dfrac{3000}{40}##

##x=75##

Hence, 30 green marbles out of 75 total marbles will be ##40\%## and 45 red marbles out of 75 total marbles will be ##60\%##

Since you have 10 red marbles so you need 35 more red marbles.
 

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