Solve Modeling Problem: Find Salt in Tank After 10 mins

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The discussion revolves around solving a modeling problem involving a tank with saltwater dynamics. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, focusing on the rates of salt entering and leaving the tank over time. The scope includes differential equations and their solutions, specifically addressing the behavior of salt concentration in the tank during two distinct phases of the process.

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  • One participant presents the initial problem and their attempt at formulating a differential equation for the salt concentration in the tank.
  • Another participant suggests the correct expression for the rate of change of salt in the tank, clarifying the rates of salt entering and leaving.
  • A third participant agrees with the correction and provides further guidance on solving the differential equation for the first 10 minutes and then restarting the analysis for the subsequent 10 minutes.
  • Participants discuss the need to account for the absence of salt during the second phase of the problem.

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There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, but participants generally agree on the formulation of the differential equations and the approach to solving them. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to refine the problem-solving process.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the transition between the two phases of the problem and how to handle the initial conditions for the second phase. The discussion does not resolve all assumptions or dependencies related to the mathematical steps involved.

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I was hoping that I could find help solving this problem. I've been working on it for a while and haven't been able to solve it correctly.

A tank originally contains 100 gal of fresh water. Then water containing 0.5 lb of salt per gallon is poured into the tank at a rate of 2 gal/min, and the mixture is allowed to leave at the same rate. After ten minutes the process is stopped, and fresh water is poured into the tank at a rate of 2 gal/min, with the mixture again leaving at the same rate. Find the amount of salt in the tank at the end of an additional 10 min.

So far I have:
<br /> \frac{dQ}{dt} = r - \frac{rQ}{100}<br />

Where Q is the amount of salt, r is the rate in and out.
I think that this may work for the first 10 minutes while the salt is part of what is getting mixed in, but after that I'm lost. Any help will be appriciated.
Thank you.
 
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you first need an expression for dy/dt

dy / dt = rate_in - rate_out

rate_in = .5 lb/gal * 2 gal/min = 1lb/min

rate_out = y(t) / 100 lb/gal * 2 gal / min = y(t) / 50 lb/min

so dy/dt = 1 lb/min - y(t) / 50 lb/min

then you find the IF and go from there
 
nrm said:
I was hoping that I could find help solving this problem. I've been working on it for a while and haven't been able to solve it correctly.



So far I have:
<br /> \frac{dQ}{dt} = r - \frac{rQ}{100}<br />
Where Q is the amount of salt, r is the rate in and out.

No, not quite. There are 2 gallons of water coming in every minute (I don't know why you call that "r") and each gallon carries 1/2 pound of salt so 2*(1/2) = 1 pound of salt comes in every minute ((1/2)r, not r). Each gallon of water going out contains \frac{Q}{100} pounds of salt so the amount going out is \frac{rQ}{100} as you have (with, of course, r= 2). The differential equation is:
\frac{dQ}{dt}= 1- \frac{Q}{50}
Also, of course, Q(0)= 0.

I think that this may work for the first 10 minutes while the salt is part of what is getting mixed in, but after that I'm lost. Any help will be appriciated.
Thank you.

Yes, so solve that differential equation for Q(t) and use it to find Q(10).
Now, start all over again. Now, there is NO salt coming in so the differential equation is
\frac{dQ}{dt}= -\frac{Q}{50}.
Q(10)= whatever you found before and then find Q(20) (ten more minutes).

(Since t does not appear explicitely in that equation, you could just "restart" the clock: Let Q(0)= whatever you found before and then find Q(10) from this new equation.)
 
Thanks to both of you for replying. I've got it all worked out.
 

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