Solve Water & Salt Problem in 5 Hrs

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a tank containing saltwater, where participants explore the dynamics of salt concentration as fresh water enters and the mixture exits. The focus is on deriving a mathematical model to determine the amount of salt remaining after a specified time, incorporating concepts of differential equations and rates of change.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation model for the amount of salt, suggesting that the rate of change of salt is proportional to the current amount of salt.
  • Several participants question the implications of the outflow of the mixture, specifically regarding the concentration of salt in the exiting water.
  • There is a discussion about the uniformity of the salt concentration due to the stirring of the mixture.
  • Another participant calculates the rate of salt removal based on the concentration in the outflowing mixture, proposing a specific value for the constant in the differential equation.
  • A final calculation is presented, estimating the amount of salt remaining in the tank after 5 hours, with a specific numerical result provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework and the approach to solving the problem, but there are questions and clarifications regarding the assumptions about salt concentration and the implications of the outflow rate. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants refine their understanding of the model.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the uniformity of the mixture and the specific values used in calculations, which depend on the interpretation of the problem's parameters.

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Homework Statement


A tank contains 800 gal of water in which 200 lb of salt is dissolved. Two gallons of fresh water runs in per minute, and 2 gal of the mixture in the tank, kept uniform by stirring, runs out per minute. How much salt is left in the tank after 5 hours ?

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Let ##y## be the amount of salt present in the tank at any given time.

##y' \propto -y ##

##y' = -Cy ##

## \frac {dy}{dt} = -Cy ##

##\int \frac {1}{y} dy = -\int Cdt ##

## y = ke^{-Ct} ##

At ## t=0 , y_{0} = 200 = k##

## y = 200e^{-Ct} ##

I don't know how to find the value of ##C##.
 
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What does this tell you?
Monsterboy said:
2 gal of the mixture in the tank, kept uniform by stirring, runs out per minute.
 
Orodruin said:
What does this tell you?
In the two gallons per minute, how much of it is salt and how much is water ?
 
Monsterboy said:
In the two gallons per minute, how much of it is salt and how much is water ?
The salt is not notably going to change the volume of the water. (Note that salt water is denser than fresh water!) what does the statement "kept uniform by stirring" tell you?
 
Orodruin said:
The salt is not notably going to change the volume of the water. (Note that salt water is denser than fresh water!) what does the statement "kept uniform by stirring" tell you?
It has the same concentration of salt throughout the mixture?
 
Monsterboy said:
It has the same concentration of salt throughout the mixture?
Yes. So what is the rate at which salt is removed?
 
Orodruin said:
Yes. So what is the rate at which salt is removed?
That is directly proportional to the amount of salt present in the tank at that time... according to my first equation.
 
Monsterboy said:
That is directly proportional to the amount of salt present in the tank at that time... according to my first equation.
Yes, but you need the numbers and you can get them from this line of argumentation.
 
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At t = 0, taking y' = 0.5 lb/min as, in 2 gal/min of the mixture flowing out, there will be 0.5 lb of salt.

## y' = -200Ce^{-c(0)} ##
##0.5 = -200Ce^{-c(0)} ##
## C = -0.0025 ##

at t = 5 hours = 300 min

## y = 200e^{-0.0025(300)} ##

## y = 94.4733 lb ##.

Thanks for your help.
 
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