Solve ODE by Substitution: Find General Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) using substitution methods. The original poster presents a problem involving the transformation of variables and seeks to demonstrate how the equation can be simplified through substitution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the substitution method and the steps taken to simplify the ODE. There are attempts to verify integration steps and the handling of constants during the solution process. Questions arise regarding the necessity of changing constants and the implications of multiplying both sides of an equation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of constants in the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are also indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the integration process and the implications of variable substitutions.

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Homework Statement



By means of substitution x=X+1, y=Y+2 ,shwo that the equation dy/dx=(2x-y)/(x+2y+5) can be reduced to dY/dX=(2X-Y)/(X+2Y).Hence, find the general solution of the given equation.

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The first part is quite simple to prove.

Second part,

since its a homogenous differential equation, i would use the substitution Y=vX here.

v+X(dv/dX)=(2X-vX)/(2vX+X)

[tex]-\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{4v+2}{2v^2+2v+2} dv=\int \frac{1}{X} dx[/tex]

ln |2v^2+2v+2|=-2ln |X|-c

then v=Y/X

ln |(2Y^2)/X^2+2Y/X+2|=-2ln |X|-c'

Then substitute back again from the first part,

the solution is

ln |2(y-2)^2/(x-1)^2+2(y-2)/(x-1)+2|=-2ln |x-1|-c'

AM i correct?
 
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thereddevils said:
[tex]-\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{4v+2}{2v^2+2v+2} dv=\int \frac{1}{X} dx[/tex]

check this again because i got

[tex]-\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{4v+2}{2v^2+2v-2} dv=\int \frac{1}{X} dX[/tex]
 


annoymage said:
check this again because i got

[tex]-\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{4v+2}{2v^2+2v-2} dv=\int \frac{1}{X} dX[/tex]

ok thanks ,how bout the rest?
 


thereddevils said:
ln |2v^2+2v+2|=-2ln |X|-c

then v=Y/X

ln |(2Y^2)/X^2+2Y/X+2|=-2ln |X|-c'

hmm, why do you change c to c' ?

and, others correct if I'm not wrong.

p/s: don't forget change the negative sign, :biggrin:
 
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annoymage said:
hmm, why do you change c to c' ?

and, others correct if I'm not wrong.

p/s: don't forget change the negative sign, :biggrin:

oh, maybe its not necessary. I multiplied both sides with 2 so c is now 2c and c'=2c

Is it ok to not change? Would it affect the equation?
 


thereddevils said:
oh, maybe its not necessary. I multiplied both sides with 2 so c is now 2c and c'=2c

Is it ok to not change? Would it affect the equation?
You did the right thing even though c and c' are arbitrary constants.
 


yea, but you already multiply both side

"ln |2v^2+2v+2|=-2ln |X|-c

then v=Y/X

ln |(2Y^2)/X^2+2Y/X+2|=-2ln |X|-c' "

and you didn't multiplied here, correct me if I'm wrong
 

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