Solve ODE for Y: yy'' = (y')2 - (y')3

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The forum discussion revolves around solving the ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by yy'' = (y')² - (y')³. The user initially attempts to express y' as p(y) and derives several equations, including dp/p + dp/(1-p) = dy/y and ln|p| + ln|1-p| = ln|y| + c. Clarifications are made regarding the interpretation of p(y) and the application of the chain rule, leading to the conclusion that y'' = p'(y)p(y). The discussion emphasizes the importance of algebraic manipulation in solving the ODE.

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Homework Statement



yy'' = (y')2 - (y')3

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



y' = p(y)
y'' - p'p

yp' = p - p2

dp/p + dp/(1-p) = dy/y

ln|p|+ln|1-p| = ln|y|+c

p-p2 = cy

y' - y'2 = cy

now what?
how do I solve for y?
I think I'm missing some stupid algebra thingy here, but can't figure it out.
 
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manenbu said:

Homework Statement



yy'' = (y')2 - (y')3

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



y' = p(y)
y'' - p'p
What does p(y) mean? I would normally take this to mean "p of y". Do you mean y' = py; i.e. p times y?
What is y'' - p'p? That's not an equation. How does it relate to the equation above it?
manenbu said:
yp' = p - p2

dp/p + dp/(1-p) = dy/y

ln|p|+ln|1-p| = ln|y|+c

p-p2 = cy

y' - y'2 = cy

now what?
how do I solve for y?
I think I'm missing some stupid algebra thingy here, but can't figure it out.
 
y' = p(y)
p is a function of y
should be y = p'p, not y - p'p.
y'' = p'(y)y' (chain rule)
y'' = p'(y)p(y) or p'p. :)
 
manenbu said:
dp/p + dp/(1-p) = dy/y

ln|p|+ln|1-p| = ln|y|+c

Errm... \frac{d}{dp}\ln|1-p|=-\frac{1}{1-p}\neq\frac{1}{1-p} :wink:
 
oh. of course. stupid me. Now it all comes together.
Thanks for pointing this out.

It's always the little stuff that makes it problematic.
Have a nice day! :)
 

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