Solve Particular Solution Differential Equation: {\theta}''(t)-{\theta}(t)=tsint

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The forum discussion focuses on finding a particular solution to the differential equation {\theta}''(t)-{\theta}(t)=tsint. The proposed particular solution is of the form {\theta}_{p}=(At+B)(Csint+Dcost), which requires determining four coefficients. The discussion emphasizes the importance of differentiating the trial solution and substituting it back into the differential equation to solve for these coefficients. Additionally, the participants highlight the necessity of ensuring that particular solutions are linearly independent from the homogeneous solutions.

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Find a particular solution to the differential equation: {\theta}''(t)-{\theta}(t)=tsint

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So I started by using the particular solution {\theta}_{p}=(At+B)(Csint+Dcost)
Before I continue with the rest of the solution, is this correct so far?
 
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Looks right, you should have 4 coefficients to determine for a particular solution of that form.
 
So I continue by finding the first and second derivatives of that particular solution:
{\theta}'_{p}=(At+B)(Ccost-Dsint)+A(Csint+Dcost)
{\theta}''_{p}=(At+B)(-Csint-Dcost)+A(Ccost-Dsint)+A(Ccost-Dsint)
Now I substitute back into the differential equation and get
-2(At+B)(Csint+Dcost)+2A(Ccost-Dsint)=tsint
From here I'm having a bit of difficulty. How do I solve for the coefficients?
 
Well I would've personally multiplied everything out in your trial solution before differentiating, so you'd have Atcost + Btsint + Ccost + Dsint. Remember your coefficients arbitrary, but in your case you must try 4.

Then differentiate for Y'p and Y''p, plug into your homogenous equation, regroup/factor everything in terms of sint, cost, tsint, tcost, then set equal to tsint and solve the system of equations.

These problems stress one's neatness and eyesight, be careful haha.
 
Did it myself(tempted as my final is coming up lol), and this is the correct solution:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y''+-y+=+xsinx

(y and x are your theta and t, wolfram is a lifesaver!)

Also always be sure to check that your particular solutions are linearly independent with the solutions to the homogeneous part. Clear sails on this one as you've got real-valued exponentials for your homogeneous part.
 
The coefficients are ultimately determined using the initial conditions, where y(t) or y'(t) are given for some value t. If no initial conditions are given, the coefficients remain unknown.
 
You mean the coefficients of the homogeneous part of the solution yes?
 
So I've worked it through and I get

AC = -1/2
AD = 0
AD = -BC
AC = BD

This doesn't seem right though.
 
I have no idea how you reached that. Here's how I did it:
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1977/p1000999sx.jpg
 
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So this particular solution is not correct: {\theta}_{p}=(At+B)(Csint+Dcost)

Because when I multiply through I get: ACtsint+ADtcost+BCsint+BDcost


Oh, do I replace the coefficients AC, AD, BC, BD to A, B, C, D?
 
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Yep, that's what I meant by "your coefficients are arbitrary".
 
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Alright I've finally got the correct solution. But you managed to do it showing a lot less work. Did you skip some simplification steps?

But thanks for the help!
 
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You're welcome. I don't expand anything out unless I have to, avoids a possible source of mistakes in my experience. When I plug my particular and its derivatives back in I just factor the x terms out of everything(identifying them term by term) so I can see my coefficients clearly and what each equation is equal to: (0,1,0,0) in this case. Very "linear", some people do the same thing but with columns.
 
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If you've already learned complex calculus, I strongly recommend you to use complex solutions, it makes it much easier
 
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Do you mean trying a trial solution with complex exponentials, so you'd only have 2 coefficients to solve? Never thought of that, but it sounds like a clever idea.
 

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