Solve Quadratic Trinomials w/Large Coeffs: Factoring Tips

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for solving quadratic trinomials, particularly focusing on factoring techniques and the use of the quadratic formula. Participants explore the effectiveness of different approaches, including completing the square and direct application of the quadratic formula, especially in the context of large coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to avoid the quadratic formula and seeks faster methods for factoring quadratic equations with large coefficients.
  • Another participant advocates for completing the square, suggesting it is more useful in calculus and provides insights into the behavior of the function.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between completing the square and the quadratic formula, with some suggesting that completing the square effectively leads to the same results as using the quadratic formula.
  • There is a contention regarding the necessity of the quadratic formula for finding irrational roots, with some participants questioning how to find these roots without it.
  • Some participants acknowledge that while completing the square offers insights, it may ultimately lead back to the quadratic formula for practical use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method for solving quadratic equations, with some favoring completing the square and others emphasizing the quadratic formula. There is no consensus on which method is superior, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for large coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of each method may depend on the specific characteristics of the quadratic equation being solved, such as the size of the coefficients and the nature of the roots.

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I'm told that factoring is an important skill in calculus so I am avoiding using the quadratic formula. But for quadratic equations with large coefficients to factor, is there a better/faster way rather than guessing and checking every single combination?
 
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I personally prefer completing the square. It's rather more useful in calculus than even factoring, as it gives you the point where the derivative is zero without even ever having to take it.

EDIT:

Completing the square is also rather simple. Start with an equation a x^2 + b x + c = 0, right? Divide both sides by a so that you get this:

x^2 + \frac{b}{a} x + \frac{c}{a} = 0

Then add and subtract b^2 / 4 a^2 to the left side (effectively adding zero)

x^2 + \frac{b}{a} x + \frac{b^2}{4 a^2} + \frac{c}{a} - \frac{b^2}{4 a^2} = 0

Now, the first three terms in that are a perfect square, and the last two are a constant, so we can easily rearrange this to give...

\left( x + \frac{b}{2a}\right)^2 = \frac{b^2}{4 a^2} - \frac{c}{a}

And there we have it. This gives us the two roots with just a little algebraic manipulation (equivalent to the quadratic formula, as it happens) and also immediately gives us the vertex of the equation (hint, take the derivative of both sides).
 


Yes...the quadratic formula.
How do you intend to find irrational roots without using the quadratic formula?
 


Number Nine said:
Yes...the quadratic formula.
How do you intend to find irrational roots without using the quadratic formula?

If you take a look at my post above, it can be done quite easily.
 


Char. Limit said:
If you take a look at my post above, it can be done quite easily.

True, but at that point he's effectively utilizing the quadratic formula anyway.
 


Number Nine said:
True, but at that point he's effectively utilizing the quadratic formula anyway.

Also true. I like completing the square better than a straight application, though, as it gives you more insight into why the quadratic formula works.
 


Char. Limit said:
Also true. I like completing the square better than a straight application, though, as it gives you more insight into why the quadratic formula works.

After doing it a few times your way the concept should sink in. After that using the quadratic formula is faster.
 

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