Solve River Swimming Path: Find Equation

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The discussion revolves around a problem in kinematics involving a man swimming across a river with a current. The objective is to find the equation of the path he follows while swimming towards a specific point on the opposite bank, considering the velocities involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations based on the velocities involved but struggles with the number of variables and equations. Some participants suggest using equations of motion and vector parametrization to describe the path. Others question the possibility of finding a relationship between x and y independent of other parameters.

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Participants are exploring different mathematical approaches to the problem, including differential equations and vector components. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the relationships involved, and some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the equations.

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There are indications of missing information and assumptions regarding the swimming angle and the relationship between the velocities. The original poster expresses confusion about the parameters involved in their equations.

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how do i solve these ?

consider a river flowing with a speed v along positive X axis . a man starts swimming from a point on the bank of the river ( which is considered to be as origin ) . l is the width of the river and the velocity of man is always directed towards the point (0,l) . speed with which man can swim in still water is u . find the equation of the path that the man follows ?

i took a general point where man's direction of velocity makes an angle q with the vertical and i assume this point to be (x,y)
now i m just able to get 2 equation which are
1. x = (v-u)integeral(cosp)dt
2. y = (v-u)integeral(sinp)dt
now i have 4 variables (t,p,x,y) and have just 3 equations (which also don't seem to be solvable) ... what do i do ?
 
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I think this is just a matter of solving the equation of motion (F=ma) in the x and y component and combining them vectorially by

[tex]\vec{r}(t) = x(t)\hat{x} + y(t)\hat{y}[/tex]

which gives a paramatrization of the path by the time.
 
1. x = (v-u)integeral(cosp)dt
2. y = (v-u)integeral(sinp)dt
here i have 2 variables p and t ... so there are 2 parameters . moreover i want to find the relation between x and y independent of any other parameters (sorry i did not mention that in my initial post ) . is it possible to get a relation between x and y independent of any other parameters?
 
NOT multiplied by v-u! v and u are speeds and the corresponding velocities are not in the same direction: v is in the x direction.

The man's velocity vector is (u cos(p)+ v)i+ (u sin(p))j . Of course, since he is always aiming at the point (0,1), tan p= x/(1- y).
[tex]sin(p)= \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+ (1-y)^2}}[/tex]
[tex]cos(p)= \frac{1-y}{\sqrt{x^2+ (1-y)^2}}[/tex]

You actually have two differential equations:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}= \frac{ux}{\sqrt{x^2+ (1-y)^2}}+ v[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}= \frac{uy}{\sqrt{x^2+ (1-y)^2}}[/tex]

Since t does not appear explicitely in those,
[tex]\frac{dx}{dy}= \frac{x}{y}+ \frac{v\sqrt{x^2+(1-y)^2}}{uy}[/tex]
is an equation for x as a function of y.
 
thanx a lot sir i was missing the fact that tan p= x/(1- y) ...
 

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