Solve Superposition Wave: Prove, Phase Angle & Amplitude

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The discussion revolves around the superposition of two wave functions, specifically a sine and a cosine function, and the task is to prove that their resultant wave can be expressed as a sine function. Participants are also exploring how to determine the phase angle and amplitude of the combined wave.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss transforming the cosine function into a sine function to facilitate the superposition. There are attempts to apply trigonometric identities to express the resultant wave in a desired form. Questions arise regarding the validity of making an ansatz and how to connect different equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using trigonometric identities to identify constants related to the phase angle and amplitude. There is an ongoing exploration of how to equate different expressions and identify terms, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment that specifies proving the wave is a sine function while also determining its amplitude and phase angle. There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the conversion between radians and degrees.

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Homework Statement



y1(x,t) = 5.00sin(2.00x - 10.0t)

y2(x,t) = 10.0cos(2.00x - 10.0t)

a) Prove that the wave that is the result of the superposition is a function of sin.

b) What's the phase angle and amplitude of said wave?

Homework Equations



y = y1 + y2

The Attempt at a Solution



Initially I figured I'd work y2 into a sin function like this: y2(x,t) = 10.0sin(2.00x - 10.0t + π/2). Then take the y = y1 + y2 formula:

y = 5.00(sin(2.00x - 10.00t) + 2sin(2.00x - 10.0t + π/2))

Then I'd set 2.00x - 10.0t = a & π/2 = b, and rework the latter with: sin(a+b) = sin(a)*cos(b) + cos(a)*sin(b)

But if I put that in the above equation, I just end up with y = 5.00sin(2.00x - 10.0t) + 10.0cos(2.00x - 10.0t)

I checked around to find any formulas or theory about waves without the same amplitudes and whatnot, but my book has only the one case (same direction, same A, sin).

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Since both the sine and cosine have the same phase function, you can make the ansatz ##y = A\sin(2x-10t+\phi)##. You can then use the trigonometric identities you mentioned to find the constants ##A## and ##\phi##.
 
Orodruin said:
Since both the sine and cosine have the same phase function, you can make the ansatz ##y = A\sin(2x-10t+\phi)##. You can then use the trigonometric identities you mentioned to find the constants ##A## and ##\phi##.

Sorry for the extremely late reply (I marched on to thermodynamics and forgot about it), but when you say "trigonomic identities" you mean sin(a+b) = ... ? Apart from that, (a) says that I have to prove the wave is a sin function, so don't know if I could make an ansatz.
 
Darthkostis said:
Sorry for the extremely late reply (I marched on to thermodynamics and forgot about it), but when you say "trigonomic identities" you mean sin(a+b) = ... ? Apart from that, (a) says that I have to prove the wave is a sin function, so don't know if I could make an ansatz.
Of course you can make an ansatz if you later show that it is true and identify the constants.
 
Orodruin said:
Of course you can make an ansatz if you later show that it is true and identify the constants.

I guess. It's just that it broke down the exercise into two questions, and I figured I had to do it this one way, and no other. I'm still kinda stuck on it though. Let's say I make the above ansatz, set (2x - 10t) = a & φ = b, and then follow with:

sin(a+b) = sin(a)*cos(b) + cos(a)*sin(b) = sin(2x - 10t)*cos(φ) + sin(φ)*cos(2x-10t)

What then?
 
Darthkostis said:
What then?
Then you figure out what values ##\phi## and ##A## have to take for the expression to be identical to your superposition.
 
Orodruin said:
Then you figure out what values ##\phi## and ##A## have to take for the expression to be identical to your superposition.
Don't I have to connect the above equation with the info I have? I don't see how I can do that though. I have this equation as well (y = y1 + y2):

y = 5.00sin(2.00x - 10.00t) + 10.0cos(2.00x - 10.0t)

But I'm not seeing how I can connect the two.
 
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But this is exactly what I have been saying. You put them equal to each other and start identifying the terms.
 
Orodruin said:
But this is exactly what I have been saying. You put them equal to each other and start identifying the terms.

Oh yeah, darn it. It flew right past me.

Asin((2x - 10t) + φ) = 5.00sin(2.00x - 10.00t) + 10.0cos(2.00x - 10.0t)

Asin(a+b) = A*[sin(a)*cos(b) + cos(a)*sin(b) = sin(2x - 10t)*cos(φ) + sin(φ)*cos(2x-10t)]

So:

Asinφ = 10
Acosφ = 5
______________

tanφ = 2 => φ = 1.12 rad = 6.4 degrees

&

Asinφ = 10 <=> A = 11.2 m

Thanks a ton for the help and the patience!
 
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Darthkostis said:
φ = 1.12 rad = 6.4 degrees
1.12 radians are not 6.4 degrees...

Also, a more direct approach to solve for A without computing the phase shift is
$$
A^2\cos^2\phi + A^2\sin^2\phi = A^2 = 100+25 = 125 \quad \Longrightarrow \quad A=\sqrt{125}\simeq 11.2
$$
 
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Orodruin said:
1.12 radians are not 6.4 degrees...

Also, a more direct approach to solve for A without computing the phase shift is
$$
A^2\cos^2\phi + A^2\sin^2\phi = A^2 = 100+25 = 125 \quad \Longrightarrow \quad A=\sqrt{125}\simeq 11.2
$$
I meant to write 63.4 but my keyboard's a bit busted (2,3 & the spacebar don't really work).
 

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