Solve the differential equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \( y \cdot y'' = 2x \cdot (y')^2 \). Participants explore various methods and transformations to approach the solution, including variable separation and changes of variables.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Participants confirm the form of the differential equation and seek assistance in solving it.
  • One participant suggests that the equation can be manipulated to separate variables, providing a series of transformations and integrals.
  • Another participant proposes a change of variables \( x = r + 1/2 \) and \( y = e^s \), which leads to a new form of the equation that is separable.
  • A participant acknowledges an error in their earlier transformation, correcting it to reflect the correct form of the second derivative in terms of the new variable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the differential equation and the potential methods for solving it, but there is no consensus on the final solution or the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the next steps in their proposed methods, indicating that the mathematical manipulations may not be straightforward. There are unresolved aspects regarding the integration and application of the proposed transformations.

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help to solve the differential equation
у*у$^{\prime\prime}$=2х*((у$^{\prime})$^2)
 
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Nikolas7 said:
help to solve the differential equation
у*у^{\prime\prime}=2х*((у^{\prime})^2)

Put your code in dollar signs to have the LaTeX compile...

Is this your DE?

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} y\,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,x\,\left( \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right) ^2 \end{align*}$
 
Yes, it is true.
What is solution this?
 
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It's messy, but I believe you can separate the variables...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} y\,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= 2\,x\,\left( \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right) ^2 \\ \frac{1}{\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}^2y}{\mathrm{d}x^2} &= \frac{2\,x}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ \frac{1}{t}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}t}{\mathrm{d}x} &= \frac{2\,x}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \textrm{ with } t = \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{t}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}t}{\mathrm{d}x} \,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ \frac{2\,x}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \,\mathrm{d}x} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{t}\,\mathrm{d}t} &= \int{ 2\,x\, \frac{1}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\mathrm{d}x} \\ \ln{ \left| t \right| } + C_1 &= \int{ 2\,x\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \, \mathrm{d}x} \end{align*}$

For the RHS we use IBP with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = 2\,x \implies \mathrm{d}u = 2\,\mathrm{d}x \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{d}v = \frac{1}{y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\mathrm{d}x = \frac{1}{y}\,\mathrm{d}y \implies v = \ln{|y|} \end{align*}$ and we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \ln{ \left| t \right| } + C_1 &= 2\,x\ln{ \left| y \right| } - \int{ 2\ln{ \left| y \right| }\,\mathrm{d}x } \\ \ln{ \left| \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \right| } + C_1 &= 2\,x\ln{ \left| y \right| } - \int{ 2\ln{ \left| y \right| } \,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

I am unsure how to continue...
 
If you make the change of variables

$$x = r + 1/2,\;\;\; y = e^s$$

where $$s = s(r)$$, your ODE becomes

$$s'' = 2 r s'^2$$

which now becomes separable. This should help you.
 
Thanks, but I got s"=2r. will try to resolve again.
 
Sorry, you are right: s"=2r(s')^2
because y'=exp(s)s' and y"=exp(s)((s')^2+s")
Many thanks.
 

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