Solve the heat equation having Dirichlet boundary conditions

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The discussion revolves around solving the heat equation with Dirichlet boundary conditions, focusing on the implications of different initial conditions and their effects on the solution. Participants explore the nature of eigenfunctions and the use of superposition in the context of the heat equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the choice of initial condition and suggests that using a sine function leads to a specific solution, while also noting the convenience of certain values for parameters.
  • Another participant discusses the self-adjoint nature of the operator involved and the orthogonality of eigenfunctions corresponding to different eigenvalues, emphasizing the mathematical framework for recovering coefficients.
  • There is a mention of the principle of superposition when the initial condition is not an eigenfunction, and a participant seeks clarification on whether non-trigonometric functions can yield eigenfunctions.
  • A participant reflects on the implications of initial conditions in the context of heat diffusivity in insulated wires, noting the differences in boundary conditions based on insulation at the ends.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of initial conditions and their impact on the solution, particularly regarding the use of trigonometric versus non-trigonometric functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of non-trigonometric functions serving as eigenfunctions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical properties and integrals related to the operator, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions tied to boundary conditions and the nature of initial conditions.

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I am going through these notes...they are pretty easy to follow. I would like more insight on the initial condition. In this problem, (attachment below), i guess the choice of initial condition is convenient as its easier to plug in the values of ##n=2## and ##b=3## (highlighted on the attachment) to realize the required solution. My question is? supposing we had the initial condition being;

##f(x)=\dfrac{1}{2}\sin\left[\dfrac{4πx}{l}\right]## where then our ##n=4## and ##b_4=\dfrac{1}{2}##

then our solution would be;

##U(x,t)##= ##\dfrac{1}{2} e^{\left[\dfrac{-16π^2kt}{l^2}\right]} ×\sin\left[ \dfrac{4πx}{l}\right]## correct?

I think the other highlighted part is now clear to me i.e when the initial condition is not an eigen function, then we have to make use of the principle of superposition. (one thing that is clear to me here is that for us to have the eigen function then the initial condition has to be either a function of sine or cosine).

Can we have the initial condition being a non-trigonometric function which would give us an eigenfunction?

Cheers!

Find the problem and solution here from textbook;
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The operator X&#039;&#039; + \lambda X is self-adjoint with respect to the inner product <br /> \langle f, g \rangle = \int_0^\ell f(x)g(x)\,dx, so eigenfunctions corresponding to different eigenvalues will be orthogonal with respect to this inner product, and you can recover the b_n from <br /> \int_0^{\ell} f(x)X_m(x)\,dx = b_m \int_0^{\ell} X_m(x)^2\,dx as long as you can do the integrals.
 
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pasmith said:
The operator X&#039;&#039; + \lambda X is self-adjoint with respect to the inner product <br /> \langle f, g \rangle = \int_0^\ell f(x)g(x)\,dx, so eigenfunctions corresponding to different eigenvalues will be orthogonal with respect to this inner product, and you can recover the b_n from <br /> \int_0^{\ell} f(x)X_m(x)\,dx = b_m \int_0^{\ell} X_m(x)^2\,dx as long as you can do the integrals.
Thanks @pasmith . Let me read more on this.
 
chwala said:
Summary: See attached.

I am going through these notes...they are pretty easy to follow. I would like more insight on the initial condition. In this problem, (attachment below), i guess the choice of initial condition is convenient as its easier to plug in the values of ##n=2## and ##b=3## (highlighted on the attachment) to realize the required solution. My question is? supposing we had the initial condition being;

##f(x)=\dfrac{1}{2}\sin\left[\dfrac{4πx}{l}\right]## where then our ##n=4## and ##b_4=\dfrac{1}{2}##

then our solution would be;

##U(x,t)##= ##\dfrac{1}{2} e^{\left[\dfrac{-16π^2kt}{l^2}\right]} ×\sin\left[ \dfrac{4πx}{l}\right]## correct?

I think the other highlighted part is now clear to me i.e when the initial condition is not an eigen function, then we have to make use of the principle of superposition. (one thing that is clear to me here is that for us to have the eigen function then the initial condition has to be either a function of sine or cosine).

Can we have the initial condition being a non-trigonometric function which would give us an eigenfunction?

Cheers!

Find the problem and solution here from textbook;
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I have been doing further reading on this by looking at heat diffusivity on insulated wire. I have noted that in general if the initial condition ##f(x)## is a sine series then the homogenous Dirichlet boundary conditions will apply for insulated wire (with non-insulated ends) resulting into a Fourier series of the odd periodic extension ##f(x)##. I have also noted that for an insulated wire (with insulated ends), the homogenous Neumann boundary conditions will apply and the ensuing solution would be Fourier series of the even peridic extension ##f(x)##...
 

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