Solve Volterra Equation: Integral Equation Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving the Volterra integral equation given by \(f(x) = \sqrt{x} + \lambda\int_0^x\sqrt{xy}f(y)dy\). Participants explore various methods for solving this equation, including differentiation and substitution, while discussing the implications of their manipulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest differentiating the integral equation to derive a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE).
  • Others propose substituting expressions derived from the original equation into the derivative to simplify the problem.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the triviality of solving the resulting ODE.
  • There is a discussion about the signs in the ODE, with some suggesting it should be positive rather than negative, leading to different potential solutions.
  • One participant introduces a new function \(h(x) = f(x)/\sqrt{x}\) to reformulate the original integral equation, which leads to a different initial condition and a new differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct form of the ODE or the implications of their manipulations. There are competing views regarding the signs in the equations and the resulting solutions, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential mistakes in algebraic manipulations, the dependence on the initial conditions assumed, and the unresolved nature of the ODE solutions. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the integral equation and its transformations.

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How do I solve the Volterra integral equation?
\[
f(x) = \sqrt{x} + \lambda\int_0^x\sqrt{xy}f(y)dy
\]
 
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Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
How do I solve the Volterra integral equation?
\[
f(x) = \sqrt{x} + \lambda\int_0^x\sqrt{xy}f(y)dy
\]

Have you tried differentiating it?

.
 
Re: volterra eq

zzephod said:
Have you tried differentiating it?

.

The derivative is
\[
f'(x) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} + \lambda\left(xf(x) + \int_0^1\frac{y}{2\sqrt{xy}}f(y)dy\right)
\]
How does this help?
 
Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
The derivative is
\[
f'(x) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} + \lambda\left(xf(x) + \int_0^1\frac{y}{2\sqrt{xy}}f(y)dy\right)
\]
How does this help?

Now you can replace the integral in the expression for the derivative by the expression for it you get from the original equation leaving you with a first order ordinary differential equation.

(and you should still have \(x\) as the upper limit in the integral, you will also find things easier if you take the \(x\) outside the integral)

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Re: volterra eq

zzephod said:
Now you can replace the integral in the expression for the derivative by the expression for it you get from the original equation leaving you with a first order ordinary differential equation.

(and you should still have \(x\) as the upper limit in the integral, you will also find things easier if you take the \(x\) outside the integral)

.

So
\[
\int_0^x\sqrt{y}f(y)dy = \frac{f(x) - \sqrt{x}}{\lambda\sqrt{x}}
\]
Plugging this in we get
\[
f'(x) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} - \frac{1}{2\lambda\sqrt{x}} + f(x)\left(x\lambda + \frac{1}{2\lambda\sqrt{x}}\right).
\]
IWhat am I suppose to do with the \(f'(x)\) equation? The solution to this ODE isn't trivial.
 
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Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
So
\[
\int_0^x\sqrt{y}f(y)dy = \frac{f(x) - \sqrt{x}}{\lambda\sqrt{x}}
\]
Plugging this in we get
\[
f'(x) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} - \frac{1}{2\lambda\sqrt{x}} + f(x)\left(x\lambda + \frac{1}{2\lambda\sqrt{x}}\right).
\]
IWhat am I suppose to do with the \(f'(x)\) equation? The solution to this ODE isn't trivial.

Well for \(x>0\), I get:

\[f'(x)=f(x)\left[\frac{1}{2x}+\lambda x\right]\]

which assuming no (further) mistakes in the manipulations is of variables seperable type with initial condition \(f(0)=0\)

Note the derivative is:

\[\frac{d}{d\,x}\,f\left( x\right) = \frac{\lambda\,\int_{0}^{x}\sqrt{y}\,f\left( y\right) dy}{2\,\sqrt{x}}+\lambda\,x\,f\left( x\right) +\frac{1}{2\,\sqrt{x}}\]

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Re: volterra eq

zzephod said:
Well for \(x>0\), I get:

\[f'(x)=f(x)\left[-\frac{1}{2x}+\lambda x\right]\]

which assuming no mistakes in the manipulations is of variables seperable type with initial condition \(f(0)=0\)

.

How did you get that expression?
 
Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
How did you get that expression?

By substituting \(\frac{f(x) - \sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}}\) for \(\lambda \int_0^x\sqrt{y}f(y)dy \) in the expression for the derivative.
 
Re: volterra eq

zzephod said:
By substituting \(\frac{f(x) - \sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}}\) for \(\lambda \int_0^x\sqrt{y}f(y)dy \) in the expression for the derivative.

Shouldn't it be + not minus? Also, for +, the ODE evaluates to
\[
f(x) = C \sqrt{x} e^{\frac{\lambda x^2}{2}}.
\]
With the IC of \(f(0) = 0\), \(f(x) = C\cdot 0 = 0\).
 
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Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
Shouldn't it be + not minus?

... probably

.
 
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Re: volterra eq

dwsmith said:
Shouldn't it be + not minus? Also, for +, the ODE evaluates to
\[
f(x) = C \sqrt{x} e^{\frac{\lambda x^2}{2}}.
\]
With the IC of \(f(0) = 0\), \(f(x) = C\cdot 0 = 0\).

Which suggests that we go back to the original integral equation and rewrite it in terms of \(h(x)=f(x)/\sqrt{x}\), which if all has gone well is:

\[h(x)=1+\lambda \int_0^x y\; h(y)\ dy\]

which gives initial condition \(h(0)=1\) and:

\[h'(x) = x h(x)\]
which I think results in \(C=1\).

.
 

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