Solve Work w/ Pulleys Homework: Answer & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving work done by a force in raising a mass using pulleys. The original poster presents a scenario where a 4-kg mass is raised to a height of 5 meters, seeking to understand the work done by the force applied.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the force applied, the angle of application, and the work done. There is confusion regarding the angle used in the work equation and its implications on the calculation of work. Some participants suggest considering gravitational energy and the components of the force responsible for vertical displacement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the force and its components. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the angle between the force and displacement, as well as the distinction between total work and the force required to achieve that work.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of ignoring friction and the weights of the pulleys, which may influence the calculations. There is also mention of the need to consider the vertical component of the force when determining the work done.

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Homework Statement



A force F is used to raise a 4-kg mass M from the ground to a height of 5 m. What is the work done by the force F? (Note: sin60 = 0.87; cos60 = 0.5. Ignore friction and the weights of the pulleys.)

A) 50 J
B) 100 J
C) 174 J
D) 200 J

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Homework Equations



W=Fdcos(\theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



I get that it takes 200 J of energy to raise a 4-kg weight 5 m. But I don't see how the force F does 200 J of work when referring to the relevant equation. Since theta is the angle between the force F and velocity of object, why would you not say W=(4 kg)(10\frac{m}{s^2})(5 m)cos(150)? This would give 174 J. I guess what I am confused about is why is the theta said to be 0?

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Coop said:
I get that it takes 200 J of energy to raise a 4-kg weight 5 m. But I don't see how the force F does 200 J of work when referring to the relevant equation. Since theta is the angle between the force F and velocity of object, why would you not say W=(4 kg)(10\frac{m}{s^2})(5 m)cos(150)? This would give 174 J. I guess what I am confused about is why is the theta said to be 0?

Well first, θ would be the angle between the F and d, which in your picture would be 30°

But you don't know what "F" is so how would you use that equation?

Think of it in terms of gravitational energy

(It said ignore friction, I'm also going to make the assumption that once it's at a height of 5 meters it has no velocity. Maybe someone can correct me but I think you have to make this assumption?)


EDIT:
Rereading it I see that you said you understand the answer:
Coop said:
I get that it takes 200 J of energy to raise a 4-kg weight 5 m
Your question is basically just that you're confused because this seems to imply theta=0 (right?)

Well the answer is that it doesn't imply that because the Force is unknwon, therefore the equation doesn't apply (there's 2 unknowns in it)
 
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Coop said:
I get that it takes 200 J of energy to raise a 4-kg weight 5 m.
Yes, if the force applied is parallel to the displacement of the mass. This is not the case in your problem.
But I don't see how the force F does 200 J of work when referring to the relevant equation. Since theta is the angle between the force F and velocity of object, why would you not say W=(4 kg)(10\frac{m}{s^2})(5 m)cos(150)? This would give 174 J. I guess what I am confused about is why is the theta said to be 0?
If F and d are parallel, the angle between them is zero. You want to find the [STRIKE]force[/STRIKE] work required to raise the mass 5m from the ground. What component of the force is responsible for vertical displacement of the mass?
 
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@Nathanael

Ah, I think I was just making a stupid mistake. I was letting F = the force of gravity on the weight. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
CAF123 said:
You want to find the force required to raise the mass 5m from the ground.
The problem just said find the work not the force
 
CAF123 said:
If F and d are parallel, the angle between them is zero. You want to find the force required to raise the mass 5m from the ground. What component of the force is responsible for vertical displacement of the mass?

So only the parallel component is responsible for doing the work, correct?
 
Nathanael said:
The problem just said find the work not the force
Typo corrected.

Coop said:
So only the parallel component is responsible for doing the work, correct?
Work required to raise the mass 5m from the ground means you are interested in the vertical component of the force. Can you write an explicit equation for this?
 

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