Solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations

In summary, the conversation revolves around a math problem involving buying fruits at a shop with given prices and a $10 note. The main question is how many fruits of type A were bought. The conversation also mentions using higher level math to solve the problem and includes an attempt at finding a solution. The suggested method is to enumerate all possibilities and use elimination to find the solution. The conversation ends with a note about the level of difficulty of the problem.
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orangesun
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hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

Homework Statement



p = $1.60 each, p = 40c each and a = 70c each.
At the shop she gave a $10 note and received a dozen pieces of fruit and $1 change.
how many A does she have

Homework Equations


I have a strange feeling I might need to use higher level maths to solve this (Gaussian) but theyre still at a young level.


The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the equations at least

1.60p + 0.40b + 0.7a = 9 (times 10 to get rid of annoying decimal)

p + b + a = 12
16p + 4b + 7a = 90

I then eliminated to get:
12b + 9a = 102
12p + 3a = 42
9p + 3b = 6

I don't know where to go from here, I hope you can help me! Thanks
 
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orangesun said:
hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

Homework Statement



p = $1.60 each, p = 40c each and a = 70c each.
At the shop she gave a $10 note and received a dozen pieces of fruit and $1 change.
how many A does she have

Homework Equations


I have a strange feeling I might need to use higher level maths to solve this (Gaussian) but theyre still at a young level.


The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the equations at least

1.60p + 0.40b + 0.7a = 9 (times 10 to get rid of annoying decimal)

p + b + a = 12
16p + 4b + 7a = 90

I then eliminated to get:
12b + 9a = 102
12p + 3a = 42
9p + 3b = 6

I don't know where to go from here, I hope you can help me! Thanks

From your two equations p + b + a = 12 and 16p + 4b + 7a = 90 you do not have enough to conditions to determine a unique solution. If you know (as is reasonable) that only *whole* numbers of fruits can be bought, so that p, b and a are whole numbers >= 0, then you can enumerate all the possibilities. For example, if we solve for a and b in terms of p we have: a = 14-4p, and b=3p-2. Since b >= 0 we must have 3p >= 2, which means that the integer p is >= 1. Now a must be >= 0, so 4p <= 14; that means that the integer p must be <= 3. So, now you know you must have p = 1, 2 or 3, and for each p-value you can figure out a and b.

RGV
 
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orangesun said:
hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

This actually is around year 8 work (advanced), but they might not necessarily realize it. It involves elimination, and/or ref/rref. A student could easily recognize this "method"

Anyways, back to your question. I'd recommend RGV's method. It takes a little "deductive reasoning". Good Luck:-p
 

FAQ: Solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations

1. How do I solve a system of 3 variables using simultaneous equations?

To solve a system of 3 variables using simultaneous equations, you will need to have three equations with three different variables. You can then use substitution, elimination, or graphing methods to solve for the values of the variables.

2. What is the purpose of solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations?

The purpose of solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations is to find the values of three unknown variables that are related through a system of three equations. This can be useful in many real-world applications, such as solving for the prices of multiple products or finding the intersection point of three different lines.

3. What are the different methods for solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations?

The three main methods for solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations are substitution, elimination, and graphing. Substitution involves solving for one variable in terms of the other two, and then plugging that expression into the other two equations. Elimination involves manipulating the equations to eliminate one variable, and then solving for the remaining two. Graphing involves plotting the equations on a graph and finding the intersection point.

4. Can a system of 3 variables - simultaneous equations have more than one solution?

Yes, a system of 3 variables - simultaneous equations can have one, infinite, or no solutions. If the equations are consistent and independent, there will be one unique solution. If the equations are consistent and dependent, there will be infinite solutions. If the equations are inconsistent, there will be no solutions.

5. How can I check if my solution to a system of 3 variables - simultaneous equations is correct?

You can check if your solution is correct by substituting the values into each equation and checking if they satisfy the equations. If all three equations are satisfied, then your solution is correct. Additionally, you can also graph the equations and see if the intersection point matches the values you found.

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