Solving a 2D Projectile Motion Problem: Find x

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The problem involves a ball launched from a 1-meter high cliff, with the ground slanting downward at a 45-degree angle. The initial velocity of the ball is 10 m/s at a 20-degree angle to the horizontal, and the goal is to find the horizontal displacement (x) when the ball lands.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to calculate the time of flight and horizontal displacement, with some attempting to derive equations for vertical and horizontal motion. Questions arise regarding the accuracy of their calculations and the interpretation of the ramp's angle.

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Some participants have provided insights into the kinematic equations and suggested different approaches to analyze the motion. There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with no clear consensus on the correct method or final answer yet.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the angles involved and the initial conditions of the problem. There is mention of differing interpretations of the ramp's angle and its impact on the calculations.

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Homework Statement



A ball is launched from a cliff 1 meter high. At the bottom of the cliff, the ground is not flat, it slants downward at a 45 degree angle as show. The ball's initial; velocity is 10 m/s and makes a 20 degree angle with the horizontal. Find x, the horizontal displacement of the ball from the edge of the cliff when it lands.

Ans: 24.85 m

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The Attempt at a Solution




When I tried solving this problem I got about 23.32 meters so I guess I'm doing something wrong.

What I did was solve for the equation that describes the position in the vertical direction as a function of time and got
y = -4.9*t^2 + 5t
I set this equal to negative one to find the time at which the ball was one meter below were it started (I set the coordinate system to be (0,0) were the ball originally starts), and got about 1.1916656. I then plugged this value into the equation that gives the displacement in the horizontal direction
x = 5sqrt(3)*t
x = 5sqrt(3)*1.1916656
x is about 10.32012682
I then solved for how far below the ground was from this point using trigonometry were
10.32012682 tan(pi/4) = 10.32012682, 10.32012682 = 10.32012682
from this I concluded that the point directly below the ball when the ball is exactly one meter below the point from were it started can be represented by the point (10.32012682,-11.32012682)
I then concluded that the equation that can describe the vertical position of the ground were it's slanted can be represented by the equation y(x)=-x-1
I then got rid of the parameter t in my equation that describes the vertical position of the ball by solving my equation that represents the horizontal position of the ball for t
x(t) = 5sqrt(3)t
t = x/(5sqrt(3))
y(t) = -4.9*t^2+5t
y(x) = (-4.9x^2)/25.3 + (5x)/(5sqrt(3)) = -(49x^2)/750 + (sqrt(3)x)3
I then set my equation that describes the height of the ball as a function of horizontal location to the equation that represents the height of the ground as a function of horizontal location
y = -(49x^2)/750 + (sqrt(3)x)3
y = - x - 1
-(49x^2)/750 + (sqrt(3)x)3 = - x - 1
I got that x is about 24.76 which is off from the answer on the sheet by about .9. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide me!

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Having a bit of trouble understanding what you did, so if i type some of what you wrote, I'm sorry. I would also say you might have gotten help quicker in the normal physics homework section seeing as this is just basic kinematics.

The first thing you would like to do is to find the time it takes for the ball to reach it maximum height then find the distance in the x direction at that point. You can also find the height from the ramp at this point knowing it's declination and starting height from the ramp.

I'd like to say that it would be best to solve this analytically ( so if i used itex 20 degrees would be theta and 45 would be phi)

vy = vsin20
vx = vcos20 which is constant the entire till it bounces off the other ramp

vyf = 0 = vyi + at t = vyi/g calculate the height and distance

dis y = ((vyi)^2)/g + 1/2g(vyi/g)^2

dis x = vix(t) = vix(vyi/g)

now from the ramp would be dis y + 1 + dis x tan(45) = total initial height before falling

the distance x on the declination is changing at vcos20, so y is changing by vcos20

now you want to calculate the time it takes for the ball to reach the ramp

You can consider that the way the ball is moving it is slowing down because it is getting closer to the ramp with time. Sorry I've ran out of time, but it should work.

Just a note you've changed the initial ramp conditions from 30 to 20 degrees
 
Hm thanks for the advice and you I wasn't sure were to put it lol
so it takes .510 seconds for the ball to reach the top of it's bath
at this point in time it's 1.276 meters above were it started
at this point in time it's 4.417 meters horizontal from were it started
at this point it's 6.693 meters above the ground

So the point below the ball right when it's at the top of it's path can be described by the point (4.417m, -5.417)
y = y_0 + v_0 t + 1/2 a t^2
y is changing with time by 5sqrt(3) t [sorry for getting the angle mixed up] cos(30) = sqrt(3)/2
so
-(5.417 + 5sqrt(3)t ) = 1.2716 - 4.9 t^2
I get t is about 2 seconds

plug back into

x = 5sqrt(3) t
x = 5sqrt(3)2 is about 17.321

i guess I'm doing something wrong still
 
I'll post this in the easier physics section or whatever, I keep on getting the wrong answer still for some reason
 

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