Solving a Challenge: Finding Real x to Satisfy an Equation

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The discussion revolves around finding all real values of \( x \) that satisfy a complex equation involving rational functions and polynomial expressions. Participants explore various approaches to simplify and solve the equation, which includes terms with parameters \( a \), \( b \), and \( c \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory problem-solving techniques.

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  • One participant presents the problem and expresses confusion over the role of inequality theorems in solving it, noting contradictions when substituting \( x = a = b = c \).
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the fractions in the equation, leading to a new form that may aid in finding a solution.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of different forms of the fractions and whether certain simplifications are more useful than others.
  • One participant derives a relationship involving \( ax \) and proposes a new form of the equation, but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed further.
  • Another participant introduces a substitution involving \( A \), \( B \), and \( C \) as trigonometric functions, suggesting a connection to triangle angles and identities.
  • Later contributions build on the trigonometric identity, linking it back to the original equation and suggesting that \( x = 0 \) is a potential solution.
  • Participants express varying degrees of frustration and embarrassment over their progress, indicating a collaborative yet challenging problem-solving environment.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive solution or method to solve the equation. Multiple approaches and interpretations are presented, with ongoing uncertainty about the best path forward.

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Participants note the complexity of the equation and the potential for different interpretations of the terms involved. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on the parameters \( a \), \( b \), and \( c \), which may affect the generalizability of any proposed solutions.

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Hi MHB,

Problem:

Find all real $x$ which satisfy $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}+ \dfrac{x^3+b^3}{(x+b)^3}+\dfrac{x^3+c^3}{(x+c)^3} + \dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$.

I tried my very best to solve this intriguing problem, but failed. Now I'm even clueless than I was before, as it seems to me those inequality theorems don't play a part to solve this problem, and also, the first instinct of letting $x=a=b=c$ led to a contradiction, and second attempt to let $a=b=c$ gave no useful result.

Can someone teach me how to approach this problem, please? Thank you very much in advance.:)
 
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Oh my goodness, I realized only now that I've completely forgotten the first three fraction could be simplified further so that each of which takes the form $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)(x^2-ax+a^2)}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{x^2-ax+a^2}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$...I'll see if I can finish the problem and will post back if there is any progress...(Sun)
 
anemone said:
Oh my goodness, I realized only now that I've completely forgotten the first three fraction could be simplified further so that each of which takes the form $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)(x^2-ax+a^2)}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{x^2-ax+a^2}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$...I'll see if I can finish the problem and will post back if there is any progress...(Sun)

may be u can try

$\frac{x^3+ a^3}{(x+a)^3}$
= $\frac{(x+ a)^3-3ax(x+a)}{(x+a)^3}$
= $1- \frac{3ax}{(x+a)^2}$
 
My attempt so far...

Since $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)(x^2-ax+a^2)}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{x^2-ax+a^2}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$, we need to think as we don't know if $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}$ is more useful or we should instead use this $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$...

But we're asked to solve for $x$ of $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}+ \dfrac{x^3+b^3}{(x+b)^3}+\dfrac{x^3+c^3}{(x+c)^3} + \dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$.

The fourth term from the LHS might give us a hint and we actually want to keep the $x-a$ at the top and $x+a$ at the bottom, so we must get rid of $ax$.

From $(x+a)^2=x^2+a^2+2ax$ and $(x-a)^2=x^2+a^2-2ax$, subtracting the second from the first we get $(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2=4ax$ and this gives $ax=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2}{4}$. In other words, we can write $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+\dfrac{(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2}{4}}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{3(x-a)^2}{4(x+a)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}$ and so what we have now is:

$\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}+ \dfrac{x^3+b^3}{(x+b)^3}+\dfrac{x^3+c^3}{(x+c)^3} + \dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$

$\dfrac{3(x-a)^2}{4(x+a)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-b)^2}{4(x+b)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-c)^2}{4(x+c)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$

$\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+\dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}-\dfrac{3}{4}=0$

but I really don't know how to proceed any further...(Angry):mad:
 
anemone said:
My attempt so far...

Since $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)(x^2-ax+a^2)}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{x^2-ax+a^2}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$, we need to think as we don't know if $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}$ is more useful or we should instead use this $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-3ax}{(x+a)^2}$...

But we're asked to solve for $x$ of $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}+ \dfrac{x^3+b^3}{(x+b)^3}+\dfrac{x^3+c^3}{(x+c)^3} + \dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$.

The fourth term from the LHS might give us a hint and we actually want to keep the $x-a$ at the top and $x+a$ at the bottom, so we must get rid of $ax$.

From $(x+a)^2=x^2+a^2+2ax$ and $(x-a)^2=x^2+a^2-2ax$, subtracting the second from the first we get $(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2=4ax$ and this gives $ax=\dfrac{(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2}{4}$. In other words, we can write $\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+ax}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{(x-a)^2+\dfrac{(x+a)^2-(x-a)^2}{4}}{(x+a)^2}=\dfrac{3(x-a)^2}{4(x+a)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}$ and so what we have now is:

$\dfrac{x^3+a^3}{(x+a)^3}+ \dfrac{x^3+b^3}{(x+b)^3}+\dfrac{x^3+c^3}{(x+c)^3} + \dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$

$\dfrac{3(x-a)^2}{4(x+a)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-b)^2}{4(x+b)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-c)^2}{4(x+c)^2}+\dfrac{1}{4}+\dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}=\dfrac{3}{2}$

$\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+\dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}-\dfrac{3}{4}=0$

but I really don't know how to proceed any further...(Angry):mad:

taking $\frac{x-a}{x+a}= A$ ;$\frac{x-b}{x+b}= B$; $\frac{x-c}{x+c}= c$

we get $A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + 2ABC = 1$

which gives $A = \sin \frac{r}{2}$
$B = \sin \frac{s}{2}$
$C = \sin \frac{t}{2}$

where r, s t are angles of triangle

(if a proof is required I can provide the same)

Now you should be able to proceed
 
kaliprasad said:
taking $\frac{x-a}{x+a}= A$ ;$\frac{x-b}{x+b}= B$; $\frac{x-c}{x+c}= c$

we get $A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + 2ABC = 1$

which gives $A = \sin \frac{r}{2}$
$B = \sin \frac{s}{2}$
$C = \sin \frac{t}{2}$

where r, s t are angles of triangle

(if a proof is required I can provide the same)

Now you should be able to proceed

Now, I can even eyeball how to proceed!(Sun) Hence your help is greatly appreciated, kali! You're a good friend and an excellent challenge problems solver! But despite my saying so, I'm fairly, enormously disappointed in myself, because I should have thought of the identity $\sin^2\dfrac{A}{2}+ \sin^2\dfrac{B}{2}+\sin^2\dfrac{C}{2}+2\sin\dfrac{A}{2}\sin\dfrac{B}{2}\sin\dfrac{C}{2}=1$ if $A,\,B,\,C$ are angles in a triangle. Shame on me...(Doh)(Sadface)(Crying)(Angry)(Punch)(Tmi)(Headbang) You know, I feel really, really embarrassed and really, really disappointed...(Crying)

Okay, it would not be right if I don't finish the problem here:

If we let, like what kali has suggested that $\sin \dfrac{A}{2}=\dfrac{x-a}{x+a}$, $\sin \dfrac{B}{2}=\dfrac{x-b}{x+b}$ and $\sin \dfrac{C}{2}=\dfrac{x-c}{x+c}$, we can see the very well-known trigonometric identity that applies to the three angles inside any triangle exists in our last equation, i.e.

$\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+\dfrac{3(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{2(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}-\dfrac{3}{4}=0$ becomes

$\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+\dfrac{2(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}-1=0$

$\sin^2 \dfrac{A}{2}+\sin^2 \dfrac{B}{2}+\sin^2 \dfrac{C}{2}+2\sin \dfrac{A}{2}\sin \dfrac{B}{2}\sin \dfrac{C}{2}-1=0$

and hence we have

$\dfrac{A+B}{2}=\dfrac{180^{\circ}-C}{2}$

$\sin\left(\dfrac{A+B}{2} \right)=\sin\left(\dfrac{180^{\circ}-C}{2} \right)$

$\sin \dfrac{A}{2} \cos\dfrac{B}{2}+\cos\dfrac{A}{2}\sin \dfrac{B}{2}=\cos \dfrac{C}{2}$

Since $\sin \dfrac{A}{2}=\dfrac{x-a}{x+a}$, we have $\cos \dfrac{A}{2}=\dfrac{2\sqrt{a}}{x+a}$ and so on.

$\therefore \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \cdot \dfrac{2\sqrt{bx}}{x+b}+\dfrac{2\sqrt{ax}}{x+a} \cdot \dfrac{x-b}{x+b}=\dfrac{2\sqrt{cx}}{x+c}$

One immediate result that we can see here is $x=0$, and after dividing the both sides of the equation by $\sqrt{x}$, all that is left is a quadratic equation and we can solve it by using the safest method, i.e. by using the quadratic formula and we're done.

Thank you again kali, for your help, I really appreciate that! (Sun)
 
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kaliprasad said:
taking $\frac{x-a}{x+a}= A$ ;$\frac{x-b}{x+b}= B$; $\frac{x-c}{x+c}= c$

we get $A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + 2ABC = 1$

which gives $A = \sin \frac{r}{2}$
$B = \sin \frac{s}{2}$
$C = \sin \frac{t}{2}$

where r, s t are angles of triangle

(if a proof is required I can provide the same)

Now you should be able to proceed

Hi kaliprasad!

Can you please show why is it ok to assume $A=\sin\frac{r}{2}$ and similarly the others? Using this substitution, you are restricting $\frac{x-a}{x+a}$ to be between 0 and 1, why?

Thanks!
 
Pranav said:
Hi kaliprasad!

Can you please show why is it ok to assume $A=\sin\frac{r}{2}$ and similarly the others? Using this substitution, you are restricting $\frac{x-a}{x+a}$ to be between 0 and 1, why?

Thanks!

thanks pranav,
My mistake. I presumes that each term > 0 but it is not so then the above holds. Thanks for pointing that
 
kaliprasad said:
thanks pranav,
My mistake. I presumes that each term > 0 but it is not so then the above holds. Thanks for pointing that

But how would you solve the problem then? I am very confused. :confused:
 
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Hey Pranav,

Thanks for chiming in in this thread of mine to remind us that if we wanted to use trigonometric to solve for an algebra problem, we needed to be extremely careful as we've to check if the condition to do so has been met, (i.e. we are allowed to proceed with the trigonometric substitution to tackle the problem).

I'm not sure if what I've done here enough to show that we could, assume that $-1\le \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \le 1$ (similarly to the other two terms).

From the final simplified version of the original given equation, we're at:

$\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+\dfrac{2(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)}{(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)}-1=0$

If we rewrite it a bit by moving the terms $\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2+\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2-1$ to the RHS, we see that we have:

$\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)^2+2\left(\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right) \left(\dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \right)=1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2$

Complete the square of the LHS, we get:

$\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c}+\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2-\left(\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2=1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2$

$\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c}+\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2=1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2+\left(\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2$

$\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c}+\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2=1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2\left(1-\left(\dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2 \right)$

$\left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c}+\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)^2=\left(1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2\right)\left(1-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2\right)$

$\therefore \left( \dfrac{x-c}{x+c}+\dfrac{(x-a)(x-b)}{(x+a)(x+b)} \right)=\sqrt{\left(1-\left( \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \right)^2\right)}\sqrt{\left(1-\left( \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \right)^2\right)}$

Now, it's obvious that either $-1\le \dfrac{x-a}{x+a} \le 1$, or $-1\le \dfrac{x-b}{x+b} \le 1$ and this is also true for $-1\le \dfrac{x-c}{x+c} \le 1$ and therefore the trigonometric substitution of $\sin \dfrac{A}{2}=\dfrac{x-a}{x+a}$, $\sin \dfrac{B}{2}=\dfrac{x-b}{x+b}$ and $\sin \dfrac{C}{2}=\dfrac{x-c}{x+c}$ can be applied safely into the problem...

How does this sound to you all?:confused::(
 

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