Solving a Physics Problem Involving Hyperbolic Sines

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving hyperbolic sine functions in a complex equation. The original poster encounters difficulties with the hyperbolic sine term due to the large values involved, which exceed calculator capabilities.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss alternative methods for calculating hyperbolic sine, including using mathematical tables and software like Mathematica or Matlab. There are also considerations about the implications of the problem's parameters, such as escape velocity and the probability of reaching Jupiter.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various suggestions for tools and methods being shared. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the feasibility of launching from Earth at the given speed, while others explore the implications of quantum mechanics on the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's intent to calculate a probability, which is complicated by the physical context of escape velocity and the nature of quantum tunneling. The discussion reflects a mix of serious inquiry and light-hearted speculation about the outcomes of such a launch.

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Hi everyone,

I was in the middle of solving a physics problem and came across a math term I am having trouble solving. It is the hyperbolic sine term in this equation:

[tex]T=\frac{2.0x10^{-8}}{sinh^{2}[\frac{\sqrt{130(2.6x10^{10}-130)}}{1.05x10^{-34}}6x10^{11}]+2.0x10^{-8}}[/tex]

When plugging the sinh term into the calculator, I receive an error due to the massive size of the solution. Is there an equivalent method of taking a hyperbolic sine that can be done by hand since the calulator cannot handle the large exponent?
 
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You have the high road or the low road.

For the low road, get yourself a copy of the CRC Standard Math Tables. It has tables for Hyperbolic Functions.

For the high road there is Mathematica (my favorite) or MatLab.

For myself, even though I have copies of Mathematica and Matlab (both) at my easy disposal, I still like my book of standard math tables at times.
 
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Why bother?

HypSine(Humungous) equals 1/2*e^Humungous.

And 1/Superbig is just about zero.
 
Thanks for the replies. I suppose I will just use Mathematica this evening to obtain some number besides zero since it's a probability. Basically, it is the likelihood of a human launching from the Earth's surface at 4 m/s and reaching Jupiter.
 
Tell use what the odds are. OK?
 
Xkaliber said:
Thanks for the replies. I suppose I will just use Mathematica this evening to obtain some number besides zero since it's a probability. Basically, it is the likelihood of a human launching from the Earth's surface at 4 m/s and reaching Jupiter.
Why would you want an answer "besides zero"? Since 4 m/s is well below escape speed from earth, the "probability" of reaching Jupiter (or any thing except Earth itself) is zero.
 
Well, quantum mechanically the probability is not exacly zero. Through the process known as "tunneling", a particle or object can travel through a potential energy barrier, in this case gravity, with its total energy less than the potential energy. I did actually put zero as my final answer in the end since I included my steps for solving the problem. The final probability ended up being something along the lines of [tex]e^{10^{44}}[/tex]
 
I think you forgot a minus sign somewhere in your exponent. :smile:
 
Actually, thanks to the many worlds variety of quantum mechanics there are [tex]e^{10^{5000}}[/tex] ways of a person launching from Earth at 4 m/s. So [tex]e^{10^{44}}[/tex] people actually escape Earth for each person that attempts to launch.

*nod*
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Actually, thanks to the many worlds variety of quantum mechanics there are [tex]e^{10^{5000}}[/tex] ways of a person launching from Earth at 4 m/s. So [tex]e^{10^{44}}[/tex] people actually escape Earth for each person that attempts to launch.

*nod*
Are you sure there shouldn't be a negative sign in the exponent? If not, I jump up and down a few times and Jupiter is overrun with people!
 
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Jupiters are overrun with people. But imagine how many Jupiters there are at that point
 

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