Solving a Physics Problem: Is My Calculation Correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to beam analysis and calculations involving compressive forces. Participants are examining the correctness of calculations and the application of material properties, specifically in the context of a problem that may involve non-linear behavior of materials.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculations for a physics problem involving compressive forces and expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of their results.
  • Another participant points out that the original calculations contain mathematical errors, specifically in the evaluation of trigonometric functions and unit conversions.
  • This second participant also notes that the beam does not obey Hooke's Law, suggesting that it is beyond its elastic range, which may complicate the analysis.
  • A later reply acknowledges the errors and expresses relief at identifying the source of confusion, while also asserting that unit conversion to meters is unnecessary due to the use of MPa as N/mm².
  • There is a mention of the challenges faced by participants accustomed to different unit systems, particularly in the context of beam analysis and design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of unit conversion, as one participant believes it is unnecessary while another suggests it is important. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the application of material properties and calculation methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the behavior of materials under load, particularly concerning the applicability of linear elastic theory versus non-linear behavior.

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have uploaded the question on the web. Please have a look at:

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I have tried doing this problem, but i am not getting the right answer. This is what i did:

y(unknown)=40cos60 = 7 mm
x (unknown) = 40 cos 30 - 20 == 14.641mm

Then

Pcompression = 2(75x7x(34.641/2)) + 2(((20x75)/2)(14.641)
= 40149 N

But the answer is somehow... 73.92 KN

Is there anything wrong with my calculations?

Thanks
 
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jubaitca said:
have uploaded the question on the web. Please have a look at:

http://amd.streamload.com/jubaitca/Hosted/pictur28.JPG

I have tried doing this problem, but i am not getting the right answer. This is what i did:

y(unknown)=40cos60 = 7 mm
x (unknown) = 40 cos 30 - 20 == 14.641mm

Then

Pcompression = 2(75x7x(34.641/2)) + 2(((20x75)/2)(14.641)
= 40149 N

But the answer is somehow... 73.92 KN

Is there anything wrong with my calculations?

Thanks
You might note first off that this beam does not obey Hookes Law, that is, it is beyond its elastic range in the outer fibers and in a semi-plastic state, ( or else the stress distribution would vary linearly rather than uniformly over the top section). I think the problem may have been written that way to make the calculations less tedious. Anyway, you have proceeded correctly, but have made 2 math errors. 40(cos60) is 20 (not 7!). And your conversions are off: 75MPa is 75*10^6 N/m^2, and you should convert the mm distances to meters (I'm glad i work in psi and inches!). Once you make those corrections, you will get the correct compressive (and tension) force of 73.92kN. To get the moment , you've got to find the c.g. of the tension and compression load, then determine the couple.
 
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thanks a lot...im so stupid at times...by the way, i don't need to convert it to meters because MPa = N/mm^2.

but thanks a lot, i have wasted so many hours thinking on this and the error just was that i could use my calculator properly...lol
 
jubaitca said:
thanks a lot...im so stupid at times...by the way, i don't need to convert it to meters because MPa = N/mm^2.

but thanks a lot, i have wasted so many hours thinking on this and the error just was that i could use my calculator properly...lol
Yes, thanks, I'm so used to USA units that metric leaves me cold. The use of SI in beam anaysis and design in the States is virtually non existent, and seing as how attempts over the past 40 years to convert have gone nowhere, I suspect that it always will be.
 

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