Solving a Re-arranging Problem: Making r the Subject

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of rearranging a differential equation to make the variable r the subject. Participants explore integration techniques and alternative methods for solving the ordinary differential equation (ODE) presented.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integrated form of the equation, expressing it as r + 2Ψln(r) = Φt + r₀, and asks how to isolate r.
  • Another participant asserts that making r the subject is not possible unless the left-hand side is defined as a function of r, suggesting r = f⁻¹(RHS).
  • A different participant proposes an alternative approach to solve the ODE, presenting the equation (1 + 2Ψ/r)(dr/dt) = Φ.
  • This participant provides a potential solution involving the Lambert W function, stating r = 2Ψlambert(e^(tΦ/(2Ψ))/2Ψ), while cautioning others to verify the solution thoroughly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of isolating r in the integrated equation, with some asserting it is impossible while others explore alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solve the ODE.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, including the dependence on the definitions used and the potential need for further verification of proposed solutions.

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I'm trying integrate the following equation and make r the subject
[tex]\frac{dr}{dt} = \Phi - \Psi \frac{2}{r}\frac{dr}{dt}[/tex]

I first collect the derivative terms together and integrate the equation with respect to r and t to obtain

[tex]r + 2\Psi\ln{r} = \Phi{t} + r_0[/tex]

where r0 is the constant of integration. My question is how would I make r the subject of the above equation?

Many thanks.
 
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hi lostidentity! :smile:
lostidentity said:
My question is how would I make r the subject of the above equation?

not possible!

(unless you define the LHS to be f(r), in which case it's r = f-1(RHS) :wink:)
 
I'm wondering if there is another way to solve the ODE I gave in the previous post, i.e.

[tex]\left(1+2\frac{\Psi}{r}\right)\frac{dr}{dt} = \Phi[/tex]
 
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lostidentity said:
I'm wondering if there is another way to solve the ODE I gave in the previous post, i.e.

[tex]\left(1+2\frac{\Psi}{r}\right)\frac{dr}{dt} = \Phi[/tex]

Check this very very carefully

[tex]r = 2 \Psi lambert\left(\frac{e^{\frac{t\Phi+c}{2 \Psi}}}{2 \Psi}\right)[/tex]

where c is some constant and where lambert gives the principle solution for w in z=w e^w.

When I substitute this back into the original ODE it seems to check, but do not trust this until you have triple checked it.
 
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