Solving "A Trick Question - Find R Range & What Approach to Use

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The discussion revolves around finding the range of a variable R defined by the expression R=(3065-2965)/(3064+2964). Participants explore the nature of R, questioning whether it can have a range and discussing various approaches to solving the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the concept of a range for R, suggesting that since the expression is constant, there may not be a range at all.
  • One participant clarifies that the question is about the range in which R lies, proposing several intervals for consideration.
  • Another participant calculates R to be approximately 24, indicating that it does not fit within the proposed ranges.
  • Participants discuss different mathematical approaches to derive the value of R, including approximations and transformations of the original expression.
  • One participant suggests dividing the numerator and denominator by 30^65 to simplify the expression and apply an approximation method.
  • Another participant points out a calculation mistake and acknowledges the correction, leading to a revised understanding of the value of R.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether R can have a range, with some arguing it is a constant and others suggesting it lies within specific intervals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the question and the validity of the proposed ranges.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of R and the proposed ranges, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented by participants.

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Readers interested in mathematical problem-solving, particularly in the context of evaluating expressions and understanding ranges in mathematical contexts, may find this discussion relevant.

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R=(3065-2965)/(3064+2964)

find the range of R?

can any please help me out..
what approach i need to attack this problem?
 
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vishal007win said:
R=(3065-2965)/(3064+2964)

find the range of R?

can any please help me out..
what approach i need to attack this problem?

Hi vishal007win! :smile:

I don't understand :redface:

(3065-2965)/(3064+2964) is a constant, so how can there be a range? :confused:
 
sorry the question was..
what is the range in which R lies?
is it
1. 0< R <0.1
2. 0.1< R < 0.5
3. 0.5< R <0.7
4 0.7< R <1
 
I think the question is asking for something else.

If you find the value of R, it ends up being approximately 24 and doesn't lie in any of those choices.
 
@retracell
how did you approached to this solution??
 
yep, approximately 24.

The easiest way to see that it's on the order of 30 is to divide the numerator and the denominator by 30^65 and to use the approximation [itex](1+x)^y \approx e^{xy}[/itex], which holds with good accuracy if x is small and y is large.
 
yup after dividin by 30^65 both num. and den.
i get something like this
R=(1-y65)/30*(1+y64)

where y=29/30

now writing y=(1-x)
where x=1/30

[itex] (1-(1-x)^{65})/30*(1+(1-x)^{64}) [/itex]
now using this
[itex] (1+x)^y \approx e^{xy}[/itex]
i got

[itex] (e^{65x} -1)/30*e^x*(e^{64x}+1)[/itex]

which finally gives the answer R=0.024

now please check the solution...n point out my mistakes
 
No, it should be

[tex]30 * (1-e^{-65x}) / (1+e^{-64x}) \approx 30 * 0.9 / 1.1 \approx 24[/tex]
 
:cry: calculation mistake..

thnx
now i got it...
 

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