Solving an equality with absolute values

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the equation involving absolute values, specifically ##\mid x-3\mid+\mid x-2\mid=1##. Participants explore different cases based on the values of ##x## and how absolute value definitions apply in each case.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss three main cases for the values of ##x##: when ##x \ge 3##, ##2 \le x < 3##, and ##x < 2##. There are questions about the validity of the solutions derived from these cases and whether the definitions of absolute values are being applied correctly.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the definitions of absolute values and their implications in the context of the problem. Some participants express uncertainty about the author's approach and whether it aligns with standard definitions. Others suggest that the definitions may need slight adjustments to accommodate specific cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential discrepancies in the author's solution compared to their own interpretations. There is a focus on the implications of including or excluding certain boundary values in the definitions of absolute values.

brotherbobby
Messages
764
Reaction score
170
Homework Statement
Solve ##\boldsymbol{\mid x-3\mid+\mid x-2\mid=1}##
Relevant Equations
Given ##|x-a| = x-a## if ##x\ge a## but ##|x-a| = a-x## if ##x<a##.
1664450356986.png
Problem statement :
Let me copy and paste the problem to the right as it appears in the text.

Solution attempt (mine) : There are mainly three cases to consider.

(1) ##\boldsymbol{x\ge 3\; :}## Using the relevant equations given above, the problem statement reduces to $$x-3+x-2 = 1\Rightarrow 2x=6\Rightarrow \underline{x =3}$$. We accept this solution as it lies in the given range for this case (##x \ge 3##).

(2) ##\boldsymbol{2\le x<3\; :}## Using the relavant equations, the problem statement reduces to $$3-x+x-2=1\Rightarrow 1 = 1,$$ which is always true. Hene the whole domain is valid as an answer : ##\underline{2\le x<3}##.

(3) ##\boldsymbol{x<2\; :}## Using the relevant equations, the problem statement reduces to $$3-x+2-x = 1\Rightarrow 5-2x=1\Rightarrow 2x = 4\Rightarrow x = 2$$, which falls out of the current range and hence is rejected as a solution.

From the underlined answers above, we can say that the solution to the given problem is ##\boxed{2\le x\le 3\Rightarrow x \in [2,3]}##.

Issue : The text agrees with my answer, but solves the problem in a way which should result in a slightly different answer and not the correct one.

Solution (text) : I copy and paste the solution as it appears in the text below, annotated in places by me where I believe the author is incorrect.

1664454485375.png


Question : Is the text mistaken? An answer would be welcome.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
brotherbobby said:
Homework Statement:: Solve ##\boldsymbol{\mid x-3\mid+\mid x-2\mid=1}##
Relevant Equations:: Given ##|x-a| = x-a## if ##x\ge a## but ##|x-a| = a-x## if ##x<a##.

View attachment 314803Problem statement : Let me copy and paste the problem to the right as it appears in the text.

Solution attempt (mine) : There are mainly three cases to consider.

(1) ##\boldsymbol{x\ge 3\; :}## Using the relevant equations given above, the problem statement reduces to $$x-3+x-2 = 1\Rightarrow 2x=6\Rightarrow \underline{x =3}$$. We accept this solution as it lies in the given range for this case (##x \ge 3##).

(2) ##\boldsymbol{2\le x<3\; :}## Using the relavant equations, the problem statement reduces to $$3-x+x-2=1\Rightarrow 1 = 1,$$ which is always true. Hene the whole domain is valid as an answer : ##\underline{2\le x<3}##.

(3) ##\boldsymbol{x<2\; :}## Using the relevant equations, the problem statement reduces to $$3-x+2-x = 1\Rightarrow 5-2x=1\Rightarrow 2x = 4\Rightarrow x = 2$$, which falls out of the current range and hence is rejected as a solution.

From the underlined answers above, we can say that the solution to the given problem is ##\boxed{2\le x\le 3\Rightarrow x \in [2,3]}##.

Issue : The text agrees with my answer, but solves the problem in a way which should result in a slightly different answer and not the correct one.

Solution (text) : I copy and paste the solution as it appears in the text below, annotated in places by me where I believe the author is incorrect.

View attachment 314804

Question : Is the text mistaken? An answer would be welcome.
##|x - 3| = x - 3## if ##x \ge 3##, not merely as x > 3 as you wrote. Where I have a problem in the author's solution is in the line you noted as "nice step," in which he doesn't qualify by the range of values of x.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: FactChecker
Mark44 said:
##|x - 3| = x - 3## if ##x \ge 3##, not merely as x > 3 as you wrote. Where I have a problem in the author's solution is in the line you noted as "nice step," in which he doesn't qualify by the range of values of x.
The 'nice step' is simply using the identity ##(3-x) + (x-2)=1## which is valid for all values of ##x##.
 
Mark44 said:
##|x - 3| = x - 3## if ##x \ge 3##, not merely as x > 3 as you wrote. Where I have a problem in the author's solution is in the line you noted as "nice step," in which he doesn't qualify by the range of values of x.
The author writes ##|x-3|=3-x## when ##x\le 3##. Is this correct?
I think ##|x-3| = 3-x## when ##x<3##. The ##\text{equal to}## option does not apply here.
 
I would look at it graphically. The distance from ##x## to ##2## plus the distance from ##x## to ##3## equals ##1##. We see immediately that ##x## cannot be greater than ##3## or less than ##2##. Then we see that it must hold for any point between ##2## and ##3##.
 
brotherbobby said:
The author writes ##|x-3|=3-x## when ##x\le 3##. Is this correct?
Yes. Is the equation a true statement when x = 3? What does the equation reduce to in this case?
 
Mark44 said:
Yes. Is the equation a true statement when x = 3? What does the equation reduce to in this case?
When ##x=3##, both sides of ##|x-3|=3-x## reduce to zero, so yes the statement is true.
However, this contradicts something basic. We are told that ##|x-a|=x-a## when ##x\ge a## and ##\boldsymbol{|x-a|=-(x-a)=a-x}## when ##\boldsymbol{x<a}##. Note the second set of statements in bold. We have ##x<a##, not ##x\le a##, and yet this is what the author is doing. I agree he is right. But does it mean we should modify our basic understanding of absolute values and put ##\ge## and ##\le## for both cases?
 
brotherbobby said:
When ##x=3##, both sides of ##|x-3|=3-x## reduce to zero, so yes the statement is true.
However, this contradicts something basic. We are told that ##|x-a|=x-a## when ##x\ge a## and ##\boldsymbol{|x-a|=-(x-a)=a-x}## when ##\boldsymbol{x<a}##. Note the second set of statements in bold. We have ##x<a##, not ##x\le a##, and yet this is what the author is doing. I agree he is right. But does it mean we should modify our basic understanding of absolute values and put ##\ge## and ##\le## for both cases?
I see no contradiction.$$|x| = x \ \ (x \ge 0)$$$$|x| = -x \ \ (x \le 0)$$There is no contradiction at ##x = 0##.
 
brotherbobby said:
However, this contradicts something basic.
Not at all. The only difference between ##|x - 3| = 3 - x## when x < 3, and between ##|x - 3| = 3 - x## when ##x \le 3## is that the former doesn't include 3 while the latter does.
 
  • #10
Thank you, to both @PeroK and @Mark44. I will henceforth change my understanding of modulus slightly to include the "equal to" for both cases. Thus, $$|x-a| = x-a\; \text{when}\; \boxed{x\ge a}\; \text{and}\; |x-a|=-(x-a)\;\text{when}\; \boxed{x\le a}.$$
 
  • #11
brotherbobby said:
Thank you, to both @PeroK and @Mark44. I will henceforth change my understanding of modulus slightly to include the "equal to" for both cases. Thus, $$|x-a| = x-a\; \text{when}\; \boxed{x\ge a}\; \text{and}\; |x-a|=-(x-a)\;\text{when}\; \boxed{x\le a}.$$
It's really a minor point. Any of the following three would serve as the definition of |x - a|
|x - a| = x - a, if ##x \ge a##; |x - a| = a - x if ##x \le a## (a is included in both sets)
|x - a| = x - a, if ##x \ge a##; |x - a| = a - x if ##x < a## (a is included only in the first set)
|x - a| = x - a, if ##x > a##; |x - a| = a - x if ##x \le a## (a is included only in the second
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: brotherbobby

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
Replies
11
Views
3K