Solving an Integral Question: Where Did I Mess Up?

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral ∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx. Participants are attempting to identify errors in their integration process and comparing their results with a provided solution.

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  • One participant presents their integration steps and result, which differs from the provided solution.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in taking a constant outside the integral, suggesting that the participant may have misapplied this rule.
  • A later reply suggests an alternative substitution (u = 3 + ln x) to simplify the integral, proposing that this method could lead directly to the provided solution without extensive expansion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their integration steps and seek clarification on specific transformations and simplifications.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach or final answer. Multiple competing views and methods for solving the integral are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to arrive at the solution.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the application of integration rules and the handling of constants. The discussion also reflects varying levels of comfort with the integration process and substitution techniques.

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I am working on this question:

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

My answer is:

18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + C

But the answer from the solutions is (5/12) (3+ ln x)^3 - (1/16)(3+lnx)^4 + C

Where did I mess up?

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

let u =ln x

du/dx = 1/x

dx= du * x

substitute u into original equation,

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4x) * x du

x's cancel out

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4) du

remove constant

(1/4) ∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] du
expand

1/4 ∫ (9 + 6u + u^2) (2-u) du

1/4 ∫ 18 - 9u + 12u - 6u^2 + 2u^2 -u^3 du

simplify

1/4 ∫ 18 + 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

18/4 ∫ 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

integrate

18/4 [ 3 ∫ u du + 4 ∫ u^2 du - ∫ u^3 du ]

= 18/4 [ 3 (u^2/2) + 4 (u^3/3) - u^4/4 ] + c

replace u=lnx

= 18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + c
 
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tmt said:
I am working on this question:

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

My answer is:

18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + C

But the answer from the solutions is (5/12) (3+ ln x)^3 - (1/16)(3+lnx)^4 + C

Where did I mess up?

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

let u =ln x

du/dx = 1/x

dx= du * x

substitute u into original equation,

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4x) * x du

x's cancel out

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4) du

remove constant

(1/4) ∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] du
expand

1/4 ∫ (9 + 6u + u^2) (2-u) du

1/4 ∫ 18 - 9u + 12u - 6u^2 + 2u^2 -u^3 du

simplify

1/4 ∫ 18 + 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

18/4 ∫ 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

integrate

18/4 [ 3 ∫ u du + 4 ∫ u^2 du - ∫ u^3 du ]

= 18/4 [ 3 (u^2/2) + 4 (u^3/3) - u^4/4 ] + c

replace u=lnx

= 18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + c

It looks OK until you took the 18 outside the integral.
 
tmt said:
I am working on this question:

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

My answer is:

18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + C

But the answer from the solutions is (5/12) (3+ ln x)^3 - (1/16)(3+lnx)^4 + C

Where did I mess up?

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

let u =ln x

du/dx = 1/x

dx= du * x

substitute u into original equation,

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4x) * x du

x's cancel out

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4) du

remove constant

(1/4) ∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] du
expand

1/4 ∫ (9 + 6u + u^2) (2-u) du

1/4 ∫ 18 - 9u + 12u - 6u^2 + 2u^2 -u^3 du

simplify

1/4 ∫ 18 + 3u - 4u^2 - u^3 du

18/4 ∫ 3u - 4u^2 - u^3 du

integrate

18/4 [ 3 ∫ u du - 4 ∫ u^2 du - ∫ u^3 du ]

= 18/4 [ 3 (u^2/2) - 4 (u^3/3) - u^4/4 ] + c

replace u=lnx

= 18/4 { 3 [(ln x)^2/2] - 4 [(ln x)^3/3] - (ln x^4)/4 } + c

With the sign error fixed and the missing brackets inserted, this is correct.

Edit: Didn't notice the 18 being taken out of the integral. You can only do that with constant MULTIPLES.
 
tmt said:
I am working on this question:

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

My answer is:

18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + C

But the answer from the solutions is (5/12) (3+ ln x)^3 - (1/16)(3+lnx)^4 + C

Where did I mess up?

∫ [(3+ lnx)^2 (2-ln x)] / (4x) dx

let u =ln x

du/dx = 1/x

dx= du * x

substitute u into original equation,

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4x) * x du

x's cancel out

∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] * (1/4) du

remove constant

(1/4) ∫ [(3+ u)^2 (2- u)] du
expand

1/4 ∫ (9 + 6u + u^2) (2-u) du

1/4 ∫ 18 - 9u + 12u - 6u^2 + 2u^2 -u^3 du

simplify

1/4 ∫ 18 + 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

18/4 ∫ 3u + 4u^2 - u^3 du

integrate

18/4 [ 3 ∫ u du + 4 ∫ u^2 du - ∫ u^3 du ]

= 18/4 [ 3 (u^2/2) + 4 (u^3/3) - u^4/4 ] + c

replace u=lnx

= 18/4 [ 3 (ln x^2/2) + 4 (ln x^3/3) - ln x^4/4 ] + c

I assume that they instead wanted you to make the substitution $u=3+\ln x\implies \ln x= u-3$ to minimize the amount of expanding you need to do in the integrand. It then follows that $x\,du =\,dx$ and thus your integral becomes

\[\begin{aligned}\frac{1}{4}\int u^2(5-u)\,du &= \frac{1}{4}\int 5u^2-u^3\,du\\ &= \frac{5}{12}u^3 - \frac{1}{16}u^4+C\end{aligned}\]

and thus $\displaystyle\int \frac{(3+\ln x)^2(2-\ln x)}{4x}\,dx = \frac{5}{12}(3+\ln x)^3 - \frac{1}{16}(3+\ln x)^4 + C$
 

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