Solving Basic Inequality: r1, r2, r3, r4 >0 & t1, t2, t3, t4 in [0, 2π)

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical inequality involving positive constants \( r_{1}, r_{2}, r_{3}, r_{4} \) and angles \( t_{1}, t_{2}, t_{3}, t_{4} \) within the interval \([0, 2\pi)\). Participants explore whether the condition \( r_{1}\left|\cos(t-t_{1})\right|+r_{2}\left|\cos(t-t_{2})\right| < r_{3}\left|\cos(t-t_{3})\right|+r_{4}\left|\cos(t-t_{4})\right| \) for all \( t \) implies that \( r_{1}+r_{2} < r_{3}+r_{4} \).

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  • One participant questions the validity of the implication, suggesting that the inequality may not hold if specific values of \( t \) lead to equal angles, allowing \( r_{1} \) and \( r_{2} \) to exceed \( r_{3} \) and \( r_{4} \).
  • Another participant argues that if \( t-t_{1} \) and \( t-t_{2} \) equal \( 0 \), \( \pi \), or \( 2\pi \), the left-hand side of the inequality simplifies to \( r_{1} + r_{2} \), which must be less than or equal to \( r_{3} + r_{4} \), suggesting the claim could be true.
  • A later reply corrects the previous assertion, noting that if \( t-t_{1} \) and \( t-t_{2} \) equal \( \pi/2 \), then the cosine terms become zero, which complicates the inequality.
  • Another participant emphasizes that even if both angles equal \( \pi \), the inequality could still hold without satisfying the conclusion about the sums of \( r \) values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the initial inequality implies the conclusion about the sums of \( r \) values. There is no consensus on the validity of the implication, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight specific cases where the angles lead to different behaviors of the cosine function, indicating that the outcome may depend on the chosen values of \( t \) and the relationships between the \( r \) values.

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Could anyone help me on this,
Is it true that for any given [itex]r_{1},r_{2},r_{3},r_{4}>0[/itex] and [itex]t_{1},t_{2},t_{3},t_{4}\in[0,2\pi)[/itex] if
[itex]r_{1}\left|\cos(t-t_{1})\right|+r_{2}\left|\cos(t-t_{2})\right|[/itex][itex]<r_{3}\left|\cos(t-t_{3})\right|+r_{4}\left|\cos(t-t_{4})\right|[/itex] for all [itex]t\in[0,2\pi)[/itex]
then [itex]r_{1}+r_{2}<r_{3}+r_{4}[/itex] ?

By the way, this is not a homework problem.

Any help will be highly appreciated!
 
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forumfann said:
Could anyone help me on this,
Is it true that for any given [itex]r_{1},r_{2},r_{3},r_{4}>0[/itex] and [itex]t_{1},t_{2},t_{3},t_{4}\in[0,2\pi)[/itex] if
[itex]r_{1}\left|\cos(t-t_{1})\right|+r_{2}\left|\cos(t-t_{2})\right|[/itex][itex]<r_{3}\left|\cos(t-t_{3})\right|+r_{4}\left|\cos(t-t_{4})\right|[/itex] for all [itex]t\in[0,2\pi)[/itex]
then [itex]r_{1}+r_{2}<r_{3}+r_{4}[/itex] ?

By the way, this is not a homework problem.

Any help will be highly appreciated!

I may be incorrect, but I would say this would be false.

What if [tex]t-t_{1}[/tex] and [tex]t-t_{2}[/tex] are equal to [tex]2pi[/tex], [tex]pi[/tex] or [tex]0[/tex]? Then r1 and r2 can be anything, and don't have to satisfy the inequality!
 
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If [itex]t-t_{1}[/itex] and [itex]t-t_{2}[/itex] are equal to [itex]2pi[/itex], [itex]pi[/itex] or [itex]0[/itex] ? Then the left hand side of the given inequality is [itex]r_1+r_2[/itex], which is less than the right hand side of the given inequality that is not larger than [itex]r_3+r_4[/itex]. Thus the claim is automatically true.

I think what makes it possible to be true is "for all [itex]x\in[0,2\pi][/itex]", but I don't know how to prove it.

Again, any suggestion that can lead to the answer to the question will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Ahh, sorry, I meant pi/2, meaning cos(pi/2) = 0. Then they do not have to be < r3+ r4

Besides, say they are both equal to pi anyway. Then, r1 and r2 can be greater than r3 and r4, yet still hold true in the first inequaility but not the second.
 

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