Solving cot pi/4 and sec 5*pi/4

  • Thread starter Thread starter garytse86
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on solving the trigonometric functions cot(pi/4) and sec(5*pi/4). The exact value of cot(pi/4) is correctly identified as 1. However, the user initially struggles with sec(5*pi/4) but eventually finds that it simplifies to -√2. Participants emphasize the importance of thinking in radians rather than converting to degrees for trigonometric calculations, highlighting that radians are the standard in advanced mathematics. Understanding angles directly in radians is encouraged for better comprehension and efficiency in solving problems.
garytse86
Messages
311
Reaction score
0
There are two questions, I can solve the first one but not the second one with the same method.

find the exact value of cot pi/4 in surd form.

cot pi/4

= 1/ tan (pi/4)

= 1 / tan 45 ( in degrees)

= 1 / 1

= 1

which is the right answer according to the book.

However when I tried the next question - sec 5 * pi / 4, there are problems.

sec 5 * pi / 4

= 1 / cos (5 * pi / 4)

= 1 / cos (900/4) ( in degrees)

= 1/ cos(225)

and then I am stuck here. How do I express this in surd form?

The correct answer is minus(2^0.5)

and all I know is cos45 = 1/root2, cos30 = root3/2 and cos 60 = 0.5

Can someone help me get to the correct answer?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
sorry people I figured out the correct answer.

1 / cos225

= 1/ cos135

= 1/ cos(180-45)

= 1/ -cos45

= 1/ -1/root2

= minus root2

= - 2^0.5, which is the answer in the book.
 
Glad you got that straightened out. But I note that you always convert to degrees.

If you are going to continue in mathematics, you should learn to "think" in radians rather than degrees. In advanced mathematics, radians are the "default" measure for angles. (Actually, in advanced mathematics, sine, cosine, etc. are defined independently of angles and the independent variable has no units- to connect them with trig functions of angles you have to assume radians.) In this problem, did the book say "cot(pi/4) radians" or just "cot(pi/4")? If the latter, why did you assume radians? (You were right to do so, I'm just pointing out that you should understand WHY that is right.)

You shouldn't to convert to degrees, you should immediately think "sin(pi/4)= sqrt(2)/2, cos((pi)/4)= sqrt(2)/2" etc.
 
I am not sure to be honest, but pi is always 180 degrees so I assumed it was in radians? If I am wrong can you please correct me. thanks a lot.
 
He didn't say that u are wrong.
He only adviced you to get used not to convert in radians.
For example, when you think 45o, it means something to you, if you want to think in radian then pi/4 should means the same to you without converting it to degrees.
It is like if you know two languages, say english and french, and your native language is english (you learned french after english), then it is wrong to translate every french sentence you hear to english in order to understand it, you should understand it directly in french :smile:.
 
Thread 'Correct statement about size of wire to produce larger extension'
The answer is (B) but I don't really understand why. Based on formula of Young Modulus: $$x=\frac{FL}{AE}$$ The second wire made of the same material so it means they have same Young Modulus. Larger extension means larger value of ##x## so to get larger value of ##x## we can increase ##F## and ##L## and decrease ##A## I am not sure whether there is change in ##F## for first and second wire so I will just assume ##F## does not change. It leaves (B) and (C) as possible options so why is (C)...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
28
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
3K
Replies
11
Views
3K