Solving e^x and y for x & y: Why is it Wrong?

  • Thread starter Thread starter theBEAST
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves solving a system of equations represented by e^x*cosy=0 and -e^x*siny=0, with the goal of finding values for x and y. The context is rooted in trigonometric identities and the properties of exponential functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of setting the two equations equal to each other and the consequences of canceling e^x. Questions arise regarding the validity of this approach and whether it leads to a loss of information.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the original poster's method overlooks the necessity of maintaining two independent equations. Others provide reasoning that indicates the impossibility of finding real solutions for the given equations, referencing properties of the exponential and trigonometric functions.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the understanding that e^x is never zero for real x, which impacts the solutions for y. The discussion also highlights the relationship between sine and cosine functions and their values on the unit circle.

theBEAST
Messages
361
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


e^x*cosy=0
-e^x*siny=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Since they both equal to 0 I set them equal to each other:
e^x*cosy = -e^x*siny
I can cancel the e^x and I get:
tany = -1

Thus y = 7π/4 + n where n is an integer.

However this is incorrect when I plug it back into the original set of equations. Why is this wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
hi theBEAST! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
theBEAST said:
Since they both equal to 0 I set them equal to each other:
e^x*cosy = -e^x*siny
I can cancel the e^x and I get:
tany = -1

Thus y = 7π/4 + n where n is an integer.

However this is incorrect when I plug it back into the original set of equations. Why is this wrong?

because you threw away information :rolleyes:

you started with two equations, and you ended with only one

you need two independent equations (for example, by subtracting instead of adding)

alternatively, just solve each original equation separately!
 
What you get is correct, but you missed a further step which disproves the existence of a solution. Put [itex]y=3\pi/4[/itex] in [itex]cos(y)[/itex] for the first equation, and you get

[itex]e^xcos(y) = 0[/itex]

[itex]-e^x = 0[/itex]

This tells you that there can be no real value of x so that this equation holds. Hence the equations have no solution.
 
As posted above, this system has no solution for real x and y. Here's a slightly different line of reasoning.

You started off with

[tex]e^x cos(y)=0[/tex]
[tex]-e^x sin(y)=0[/tex]

Note that in the second equation, we can get rid of the minus sign:

[tex]e^x cos(y)=0[/tex]
[tex]e^x sin(y)=0[/tex]

Now, we know that [itex]e^x[/itex] is never equal to [itex]0[/itex] for all [itex]x \in ℝ[/itex], so in each equation, we must have the other term in the product equal to [itex]0[/itex]. That is, we must have [itex]cos(y) = 0 = sin(y)[/itex].

But from our knowledge of the unit circle, we know that this is never possible. In fact, since [itex]sin^2(x)+cos^2(x)=1[/itex], whenever either function is equal to [itex]0[/itex], the other is equal to [itex]±1 ≠ 0.[/itex]
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
5K
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K