Separable Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation of the form (ex+1)cosy dy + ex(siny +1)dx=0 with an initial condition y(0)=3. Participants are examining their attempts at integrating both sides and addressing potential mistakes in their reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their integration steps and the use of substitution methods. There is a focus on the correctness of the final expressions derived from the integration process. Questions arise regarding the notation used for substitutions and the handling of logarithmic expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of their last steps, while others provide feedback on notation and the application of logarithmic properties. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the overall solution process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of proper notation in substitutions and the implications of using absolute values in logarithmic expressions, particularly in the context of the functions involved in the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


Solve the differential equation:
(ex+1)cosy dy + ex(siny +1)dx=0 y(0)=3

Homework Equations


none

The Attempt at a Solution


(ex+1)cosy dy + ex(siny +1)dx=0
(ex+1)cosy dy =- ex(siny +1)dx
cosy/(siny+1)dy=-ex/(ex+1)dx
∫cosy/(siny+1)dy=-∫ex/(ex+1)dx
using u sub on both the left and right for u=siny+1 on left and u=(ex+1) on right yeilds
∫1/u du=-∫ 1/u du
ln|siny +1|= -ln|ex+1| +c
exponentiating both sides ( this is where I think I messed up)
siny +1= -x-1 +c
 
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Dusty912 said:

Homework Statement


Solve the differential equation:
(ex+1)cosy dy + ex(siny +1)dx=0 y(0)=3

Homework Equations


none

The Attempt at a Solution


(ex+1)cosy dy + ex(siny +1)dx=0
(ex+1)cosy dy =- ex(siny +1)dx
cosy/(siny+1)dy=-ex/(ex+1)dx
∫cosy/(siny+1)dy=-∫ex/(ex+1)dx
using u sub on both the left and right for u=siny+1 on left and u=(ex+1) on right yeilds
∫1/u du=-∫ 1/u du
ln|siny +1|= -ln|ex+1| +c
exponentiating both sides ( this is where I think I messed up)
siny +1= -x-1 +c
Yes, it's messed up.
Use the ideas that a * ln(b) = ln(ba) and that exp(m + n) = exp(m) * exp(n)
 
So all of my work is fine up until the last step?
 
I don't see anything wrong, but you shouldn't use u for both of your substitutions -- maybe v or w for the other one.
 
yea, I figured that was bad notation. Anyways, for the next step, is the left side of the equation is right? sin(y) +1

as far as the right side and applying the rules you gave me. The right side would look something like this before the exponentiating:

-(x+1)ln|e| +c
 
You have a mistake that I didn't notice before.
Dusty912 said:
ln|siny +1|= -ln|ex+1| +c
On the right side it should be ##-\ln(e^x + 1) + C##. You had ##-\ln|e^{x + 1}| + C##.
Also note that I didn't use absolute values, since ##e^x > 0## for all real x, so ##e^x + 1 > 1 > 0## for all real x.

You don't need absolute values on the left side, either, since ##\sin(y) + 1 \ge 0## for all real y.
 

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