Solving Eigenvalues and Eigenfunctions of Hamiltonian

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The discussion revolves around solving for the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of a Hamiltonian expressed in terms of ladder operators, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the relationship of the given Hamiltonian to the quantum harmonic oscillator and the challenges in deriving the ground state eigenfunction and energy eigenvalues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a Hamiltonian involving ladder operators and questions its relation to the quantum harmonic oscillator.
  • Another suggests rewriting the Hamiltonian entirely in terms of position and momentum operators for clarity.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the ground state condition, specifically the operator relation involving the ladder operator acting on the ground state.
  • There is a proposal to simplify the Hamiltonian to a more manageable form, leading to a second-order differential equation.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the resulting differential equation and seeks advice on potential methods or special functions that could be used.
  • Another participant points out a possible error in the Hamiltonian formulation and provides an alternative expression, leading to further discussion on the implications of this difference.
  • Participants discuss the transformation of the differential equation into a more solvable form by introducing new variables.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem may be simpler than initially thought, as any Hamiltonian of a certain form can be treated as a harmonic oscillator, allowing for the use of known solutions without solving differential equations.
  • Some participants agree that the ground state eigenfunction can be derived from the known solutions of the harmonic oscillator with appropriate scaling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the relationship of the Hamiltonian to the harmonic oscillator, with some asserting that it simplifies the problem while others remain focused on the complexities of the differential equations involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for errors in the Hamiltonian formulation and the dependence on definitions of operators. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the Hamiltonian's structure.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners of quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in the mathematical treatment of Hamiltonians and eigenvalue problems related to the harmonic oscillator.

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Hi everyone!

I am answering this problem which is about the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian given as:

H = 5/3(a+a) + 2/3(a^2 + a+^2), where a and a+ are the ladder operators.

It was given that a = (x + ip)/√2 and a+ = (x - ip)/√2. Furthermore, x and p satisfies the commutation relation [x,p] = i, i.e., p = -i (d/dx).

The question is find the energy eigenvalues and ground state eigenfunction. Is this problem related to the quantum harmonic oscillator? I can't solve it using the usual Hψ = Eψ approach.

Thanks a lot!
 
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I think you'll see more clearly what to do if you write H entirely in terms of x and p.
 


To find the energy eigenfunction for the ground state, recall that
<br /> \hat{a}|0\rangle = 0<br />
and recall the definition for \hat{a} in terms of \hat{x} and \hat{p} like Bill said.
 


Thanks jfy4!

So the problem is really connected to the Harmonic oscillator. Upon simplification of the Hamiltonian, it reads H = 2/3(x^2 + p^2 -1). Substituting p = -i(dx/dt) will result to a 2nd order differential equation. But it is quite difficult to solve the differential equation. Any further suggestions? How would I apply aψ = 0ψ in this case?
 


unless I am mistaken, I don't think that 3 should be in there...

Take
<br /> \hat{a}|0\rangle =0<br />
and literally write it out in terms of x and p as operators. Then consider
<br /> \langle x|\hat{a}|0\rangle=0<br />
Also write out \langle x|0\rangle as \psi_{0}(x). This should get you along.

Forget the 3 comment, I didn't read enough of your post.
 
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Yes, that is plausible but I need to use the original Hamiltonian right? Not just the a and a+ operators. Can I use this equation H|ψ> = 0|ψ> for the ground state eigenfunction? The problem is, if I substitute the original Hamiltonian and using H|ψ> = E|ψ>, the differential equation turns out to be something like d^2ψ/dx^2 = 2/3(x^2 + E -1)ψ, which is quite troublesome I think.
 


Perhaps... I just glanced at the OP before posting, and I should have read it a little more carefully... I thought it was the Hamiltonian for the harmonic oscillator, my bad. Now that I work it out though I get a different Hamiltonian than you got. I get
<br /> H=\frac{3}{2}x^2 +\frac{1}{6}p^2-\frac{5}{6}<br />
Check yours again k.
 


Yes, its possible that I just made some error, but the form is just the same. The problem now would be the differential equation that will arise from the Hamiltonian. Are there any special functions that will solve it or do I need to use methods such as power series, etc, or just introduce a dimensionless quantity. Thanks by the way for your time looking at the problem.
 


Yeah, I suppose you solve this in the coordinate representation...

So get everything away from \psi &#039;&#039; and lump everything in front of x^2 and declare a new quantity, q, such that when squared equals that stuff and x^2. Also define a new quantity, \lambda, for E and 1 and anything else left over. You should now have a new diffEQ that is a little prettier to solve. Also now let \psi(x)=u(q) and you will have something like
<br /> u&#039;&#039;(q)+(\lambda -q^2)u(q)=0<br />
which is a little more manageable to solve. I have to leave you there sorry, It's late and I have to go to bed. I'll see if I can help more tomorrow.

Good luck, and sorry for not being more help.
 
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A, I see. I think it's now a little bit manageable. It is actually similar to the differential equation for the Harmonic oscillator wherein the solutions are Hermite polynomials. Thank you very much for your time! Good night!
 
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Thunder_Jet, I think you're still missing the point of how easy this is. Any Hamiltonian of the form H = αx2 + βp2 is a Harmonic oscillator. You don't need to solve any differential equations. You can immediately write down the solution, just by taking the known ground state of a harmonic oscillator and rescaling x and p.
 
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Thanks Bill, that's something I have been missing too. So the ground state can still be the same with whatever scaling needs to be added in also, good to know.
 
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Bill_K said:
Thunder_Jet, I think you're still missing the point of how easy this is. Any Hamiltonian of the form H = αx2 + βp2 is a Harmonic oscillator. You don't need to solve any differential equations. You can immediately write down the solution, just by taking the known ground state of a harmonic oscillator and rescaling x and p.

I see. So the problem is merely a Harmonic oscillator with shifted or rescaled x and p. Ok, I will try to arrange the eigenvalue equation to see the rescaling with respect to x and p. So the ground state eigenfunction and eigenvalue should be very similar to the original Harmonic oscillator, right? Thanks a lot!
 

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