Solving Equation: (1/x)^x - x = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation (1/x)^x - x = 0, which involves logarithmic manipulation and the exploration of potential solutions. Participants are examining the relationship between logarithmic expressions and the implications of certain values for x.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the transformation of the equation into logarithmic form and question the implications of specific values like x=1 and x=-1. There is discussion about the nature of solutions and the potential use of the Lambert W function.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being considered. Some participants are providing hints and asking questions to guide understanding without offering direct solutions. There is recognition of the need to avoid assumptions that could overlook valid solutions.

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Participants are reminded of the forum's rules against providing complete solutions, emphasizing the importance of hints and guidance instead. There is also a note about the implications of dividing by logarithmic terms, which can lead to overlooking certain solutions.

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Homework Statement


(1/x)^x - x = 0



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(1/x)^x - x = 0
(1/x)^x = x
xln(1/x) = lnx

Thats all i got up to, I just need a kick in the right direction so I can finish it up.
 
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EL ALEM said:

Homework Statement


(1/x)^x - x = 0



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(1/x)^x - x = 0
(1/x)^x = x
xln(1/x) = lnx

Thats all i got up to, I just need a kick in the right direction so I can finish it up.

How is ln(1/x) related to ln(x)? HINT: Have a look at the properties of logarithms
 
\frac{1}{x^{x}} - x = 0

becomes

\frac{1}{x^{x}} = x

becomes1= x^{x+1}

becomes

\ln 1= \ln x^{x+1}

becomes

0 = (x+1)\ln x
 
Of course, that has no "elementary" solution. It probably can be solved in terms of Lambert's W function.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Of course, that has no "elementary" solution. It probably can be solved in terms of Lambert's W function.

What about x=1 or x=-1? Are they not considered elementary solutions; they can be obtained without the use of any non-elementary function?
 
(1/x)^x-x=0

(1/x)^x=x

xln(1/x)=lnx

lnx=xln(1/x)

lnx=x(ln1-lnx)

lnx=x(0-lnx)

lnx=-xlnx

x=-1
 
DCASH88 said:
(1/x)^x-x=0

(1/x)^x=x

xln(1/x)=lnx

lnx=xln(1/x)

lnx=x(ln1-lnx)

lnx=x(0-lnx)

lnx=-xlnx

x=-1

In the last step you divided both sides by ln(x) which implicitly assumed that ln(x) is not equal to zero i.e. x is not equal to 1. It turns out that x=1 also solves the equation.
 
DCASH88 said:
(1/x)^x-x=0

(1/x)^x=x

xln(1/x)=lnx

lnx=xln(1/x)

lnx=x(ln1-lnx)

lnx=x(0-lnx)

lnx=-xlnx

x=-1

Please do not do the OP's homework for him. It is against the PF rules (see the link at the top of the page) to provide solutions to homework here. Please confine your help to giving hints, asking questions, finding errors in their work, etc.
 
Yes I noticed that just by looking but didn't know how to show. Will you show how to come to that?
Thanks
Daniel
 
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If you're referring to danago's response, then it's just like solving a quadratic.

When you have x^2=x you don't divide through by x to leave x=1, because that implies x\neq 0, but it is a solution. All you do instead is factorize to leave x(x-1)=0 which now gives the solutions x=0,1. Do the same for your equality.
 

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