Solving Equations: Det as Product of 4 Linear Factors

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The discussion revolves around expressing the determinant of a specific 3x3 matrix as a product of four linear factors and exploring the conditions under which a system of simultaneous equations has non-trivial solutions. The subject area includes linear algebra and systems of equations.

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  • Participants attempt to express the determinant of the matrix and relate it to the conditions for the system of equations to have solutions other than the trivial solution. There are questions about the implications of the determinant being zero and the nature of the solutions.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the determinant and the existence of solutions, noting that a zero determinant indicates a lack of unique solutions. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of specific values of 'a' and the resulting equations.

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There are mentions of potential errors in the transcription of variables (e.g., 't' instead of 'y') and confusion regarding the equations being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the problem context.

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Homework Statement



Express the determinant as a product of 4 linear factors

[itex] \left(<br /> \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a & \text{bc} & b+c \\<br /> b & \text{ac} & a+c \\<br /> c & \text{ab} & a+b<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

b hence or otherwise find the values of a for which the sumultaneous equations.

[itex] ax+2t+3z=0[/itex]

[itex] 2x+ay+(1+a)z=0[/itex]

[itex] x+2ay+(2+a)z=0[/itex]

have a solution other than x=y=z=0

ii) solve the equations when a=-3


The Attempt at a Solution


[itex] \text{Det}\left[\left(<br /> \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a & \text{bc} & b+c \\<br /> b & \text{ac} & a+c \\<br /> c & \text{ab} & a+b<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)\right] = (a-b)(c-b)(a-c)(a+b+c)[/itex]


I get the right answers for part 2 of 1,2,-3. I don't know why that determinant of 0 implies that solution.

for the last part i get

[itex]x=\frac{5\lambda}{3}[/itex]
[itex]y=\lambda[/itex]
[itex]z=\lambda[/itex]

[itex]r=\lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> \frac{5}{3} \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

The answer is

[itex]r = \lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex] ?
 
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[itex]3x-18y-3z=0[/itex]

[itex]-3x+2y+3z=0[/itex]

[itex]y=0[/itex]

[itex]x=z[/itex]

[itex]z=\lambda[/itex]

[itex]r=\lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

I wonder why it messes up when I use the other equations
 
Gregg said:

Homework Statement



Express the determinant as a product of 4 linear factors

[itex] \left(<br /> \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a & \text{bc} & b+c \\<br /> b & \text{ac} & a+c \\<br /> c & \text{ab} & a+b<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

b hence or otherwise find the values of a for which the sumultaneous equations.

[itex] ax+2t+3z=0[/itex]
I presume you mean "y" rather than "t" here.

[itex] 2x+ay+(1+a)z=0[/itex]

[itex] x+2ay+(2+a)z=0[/itex]

have a solution other than x=y=z=0

ii) solve the equations when a=-3


The Attempt at a Solution


[itex] \text{Det}\left[\left(<br /> \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> a & \text{bc} & b+c \\<br /> b & \text{ac} & a+c \\<br /> c & \text{ab} & a+b<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)\right] = (a-b)(c-b)(a-c)(a+b+c)[/itex]


I get the right answers for part 2 of 1,2,-3. I don't know why that determinant of 0 implies that solution.
Determinant 0 does not imply any particular solution. It implies that there is NOT a unique solution. Since the given matrix equation has (0 0 0) as a solution, that means that there must be other solutions- in fact an infinite number of solutions, forming a subspace of R3. Since you have shown that the determinant is (a- b)(c- b)(a- c)(a+ b+ c), it will be 0 when anyone of those factors is 0. Further, the determinant in (b) is the same as in (a) with b= 2 and c= 1. So its determinant is (a-2)(a-1)(a+ 3)= 0. The determinant will be 0 when a= 2, a= 1 or a= -3, making those factors 0.

for the last part i get

[itex]x=\frac{5\lambda}{3}[/itex]
[itex]y=\lambda[/itex]
[itex]z=\lambda[/itex]

[itex]r=\lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> \frac{5}{3} \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

The answer is

[itex]r = \lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex] ?
With a= 3, the equations become 3x+ 2y+ 3z= 0, 2x+ 3y+ 4z= 0, and x+ 6y+ 5z= 0. [itex]x= \lambda[/itex], y= 0, [itex]z= \lambda[/itex] makes the first equation [itex]3\lambda+ 3\lambda= 6\lambda= 0[/itex] which is true only for [itex]\lambda[/itex] equals 0 and that is the "trivial" solution.
[itex]r = \lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]
is definitely NOT a solution.
 
Gregg said:
[itex]3x-18y-3z=0[/itex]

[itex]-3x+2y+3z=0[/itex]

[itex]y=0[/itex]

[itex]x=z[/itex]

[itex]z=\lambda[/itex]

[itex]r=\lambda\left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/itex]

I wonder why it messes up when I use the other equations
Where did you get these three equations? They are NOT the equation from yyour first post.
 
(3) x-6y-z=0
3x-18y-3z=0
from (1) -3x+2y+3z=0

(1)+(3) = -16y=0
y=0

x=z
z=x
etc?
 

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