Solving equations in sin and cos theta

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The discussion revolves around solving a trigonometric equation involving sine and cosine functions, specifically the equation 490.5cos(theta) - 3600cos(theta)sin(theta) + 1800sin(theta) = 0. Participants explore various methods for solving this equation for the variable theta, with a focus on the mathematical techniques involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) expresses difficulty in solving the equation for theta, noting it is a single equation with one unknown.
  • One participant suggests substituting cos(theta) = x and sin(theta) = sqrt(1-x^2) to simplify the equation into a polynomial form.
  • Another participant argues that this substitution leads to a 4th order polynomial, which they find impractical.
  • A different approach is proposed using complex exponentials, where cos(theta) is expressed as the real part of e^(iθ) and sin(theta) in terms of e^(iθ), suggesting it could lead to a quadratic equation for e^(iθ).
  • However, the same participant later questions the validity of this method, noting that it does not yield a proper quadratic polynomial due to the presence of the Re() operator and the implications of complex angles.
  • Another participant acknowledges the limitations of their method, stating that if the equation is valid for the real part only, it cannot be assumed to hold without the Re() operator, leading to potential complexities.
  • The discussion includes a mention of attempting to solve a related equation involving the real part of a complex expression, but the feasibility of this approach remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best method to solve the equation, with no consensus reached on a single effective approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most practical solution method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the equation and the challenges associated with different substitution methods, indicating that the nature of the solutions may depend on the assumptions made about the variables involved.

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Hi,
I have been trying to solve some mechanics problems and I can come up with the right equation, but I don't know how to solve it...
For example:

490.5cos(theta) - 3600cos(theta)sin(theta) + 1800sin(theta) = 0

i need to solve for theta here
its one equation and one unknown, which means it is solvable..
but how?

thanks
 
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My suggestion would be to write cos(theta) = x, sin(theta) = sqrt(1-x^2), and simplify. Then you'll have a polynomial equation to solve.
 
That substitution seems to give a 4th order polynomial, which is very impractical.

I rather suggest using
[tex]\cos\theta=\Re (e^{i\theta})[/tex]
and
[tex]\sin\theta=\frac{e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}}{2i}[/tex]
which gives you a quadric equation for [itex]e^{i\theta}[/itex]
 
Gerenuk said:
That substitution seems to give a 4th order polynomial, which is very impractical.

I rather suggest using
[tex]\cos\theta=\Re (e^{i\theta})[/tex]
and
[tex]\sin\theta=\frac{e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}}{2i}[/tex]
which gives you a quadric equation for [itex]e^{i\theta}[/itex]

But that would not give a quadratic polynomial in eiθ, due to the e-iθ and Re[eiθ]terms.

p.s...

Moderator's note, let's let the OP respond with his/her progress on the problem before offering more help.
 
It would give a quadric equation, because that terms cancels.

Yet my method doesn't work, because if an equation is valid for the real part only, you cannot require it to be true for without the Re() operator :(
Because then the angle would be complex.

Anyway. My method doesn't work the way I wanted...

Unless someone sees a way to solve
[tex]\Re(z^2+2az-1)=0[/tex]
with [itex]|z|=1[/itex] and a a complex number.
 
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