Solving for r: 3.24 Meters Too Far?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radius in a physics problem involving static friction and centripetal force. Participants are examining the relationship between these forces and the resulting radius, with a specific focus on the numerical outcome of 3.24 meters, which is questioned for its plausibility in the context of the problem.

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  • Participants share their equations and calculations, questioning the validity of the derived radius. There is a focus on the algebraic manipulation and unit consistency in the calculations. Some participants express confusion regarding the placement of terms in the equations and the implications of their results.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and questioning the assumptions made in the setup. There is an ongoing exploration of the algebra involved in finding the radius, with suggestions to verify unit consistency and the arrangement of terms in the equations.

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Homework Statement
A bug crawls outward from the center of a CD spinning at 200 revolutions per minute. coefficient of static friction between bug's sticky feet and disc surface is 1.2. How far does the bug get from the center before slipping?
Relevant Equations
centripetal acceleration = (v^2 / r) = (4pi^2r)/ t^2
F_net= ma (newton's second law)
static friction = "mu" F_n (normal force)
200rpm/60 = 3.33 revolutions per second
I set (μ_s) *mg equal to (m*4pi^2r)/T^2
Then I solved for r
However, when I solve for r, I get 3.24 meters which seems much too far for a bug to travel. Should I have divided by something somewhere instead of multiplied?
 
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Wzss said:
I set (μ_s) *mg equal to (m*4pi^2r)/T^2
Then I solved for r
However, when I solve for r, I get 3.24 meters which seems much too far for a bug to travel. Should I have divided by something somewhere instead of multiplied?
Yes, that's too big.
Please post the details of the calculation.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, that's too big.
Please post the details of the calculation.
Thank you for the response!
Here is what I've been getting
r = (μ_s (mg)) * (t^2/ 4pi^2) (got this equation from setting equal static friction and centripetal force, then eliminating mass and solving equation for r)
r = (1.2*9.8*(3.3)^2) / 4pi^2
r = 3.24 meters
I know this makes no sense, but I'm not sure how else to arrange the equation
 
Wzss said:
Thank you for the response!
Here is what I've been getting
r = (μ_s (mg)) * (t^2/ 4pi^2) (got this equation from setting equal static friction and centripetal force, then eliminating mass and solving equation for r)
r = (1.2*9.8*(3.3)^2) / 4pi^2
r = 3.24 meters
I know this makes no sense, but I'm not sure how else to arrange the equation
You should always verify the units of your proposed solution:$$r=(1.2) (9.8 m/s^2)(3.3/s)^2/(4\pi^2)=3.24 m/s^4$$which aren't the right units for a radius. Check your algebra!
 
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renormalize said:
You should always verify the units of your proposed solution:$$r=(1.2) (9.8 m/s)(3.3/s)^2/(4\pi^2)=3.24 ms$$which aren't the right units for a radius. Check your algebra!
I'm confused. How did you get 3.24 ms?
When I do it, the m/s^2 from the 9.8 and the s^2 after squaring T cancel out, leaving meters. Since 9.8 is acceleration, shouldn't it be m/s^2?
 
Wzss said:
I'm confused. How did you get 3.24 ms?
When I do it, the m/s^2 from the 9.8 and the s^2 after squaring T cancel out, leaving meters
I updated my post.
 
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renormalize said:
I updated my post.
Oh I see, thank you
but then, is my answer completely wrong? how do I get an answer that makes sense for radius?
 
Wzss said:
Oh I see, thank you
but then, is my answer completely wrong? how do I get an answer that makes sense for radius?
As I said, check the algebra you used to find the radius. In your formula, should the square of the frequency ##3.3/s## be in the numerator or the denominator?
 
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renormalize said:
As I said, check the algebra you used to find the radius. In your formula, should the square of the frequency ##3.3/s## be in the numerator or the denominator?
ah I see now, thank you so much!
 
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