Solving for Roots of a Cubic Equation Using Perturbation Theory

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The discussion revolves around obtaining two-term expansions for the roots of the cubic equation \(x^3+x^2-w=0\) in the limit where \(0

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an expansion of the form \(x=a+bw+\ldots\) and identifies \(a=-1\) and \(b=1\) as a solution, seeking guidance on the other two expansions.
  • Another participant suggests that there are two roots near 0 and one root near 1, indicating a need for a trial solution of the form \(x=aw^k\) for roots near 0, which leads to a logarithmic expansion.
  • A participant clarifies their approach to perturbation expansions, emphasizing the need for an asymptotic sequence rather than a simple guess.
  • Further discussion includes the assertion that the root approaches zero as \(w\) approaches zero, suggesting that the simplest candidate for the root should be a multiple of some power of \(w\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to finding the roots, with some advocating for trial solutions and perturbation expansions, while others question the validity of guessing methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the expansions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of identifying the correct exponent for trial solutions and the implications of singular perturbation expansions, indicating that assumptions about the nature of the roots and the form of the expansions are critical to the discussion.

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Question: obtain 2-term expansions for the roots of x^3+x^2-w=0 , 0<w<<1.

I assumed an expansion of the form x=a+bw+... and from this obtained a=-1, b=1 as one solution. How do I work out the form of the other 2 expansions?

Thanks.
 
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Poirot said:
Question: obtain 2-term expansions for the roots of x^3+x^2-w=0 , 0<w<<1.

I assumed an expansion of the form x=a+bw+... and from this obtained a=-1, b=1 as one solution. How do I work out the form of the other 2 expansions?

Thanks.

There are two roots near 0 and one root near 1, you have already dealt with than near 1. Then for the roots near 0 guess a trial solution: \(x=aw^k\) (which is a two term logarithmic expansion: \(\log(x)=A+B\log(w)\) ).

CB
 
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sorry Captain Black, are you familiar with perturbation expansions? That is what I'm doing, I should have said the above solution as
x= -1+w+... as it is an infinite (perturbation) series. I want to know how to arrive at the correct asymptotic sequence.
 
Poirot said:
sorry Captain Black, are you familiar with perturbation expansions? That is what I'm doing, I should have said the above solution as
x= -1+w+... as it is an infinite (perturbation) series. I want to know how to arrive at the correct asymptotic sequence.

Sorry Poirot, are you familiar with singular perturbation expansions?

When you find the correct exponent for the trial solution you can use a perturbation expansion for \(a=a_0+a_1w^{k}+...\), where \(a_0\) is one or other of the two zeroth-order coefficients found using the trial solution.

CB
 
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I take it you thought I was trying to be funny. Anyway, is there any way to arrive at the correct answer without just guessing?
 
Poirot said:
I take it you thought I was trying to be funny. Anyway, is there any way to arrive at the correct answer without just guessing?

It is not a guess. There can be no constant term since the root is going to zero as \(w\) goes to zero, so the simplest candidate is a multiple of some power of \(w\). Try the candidate , find the coefficient and exponent for an initial approximate solution and take it from there.

CB
 
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