Solving for the Wind Force on a Skier on a Slope

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The discussion revolves around calculating the wind force acting on a skier descending a frictionless slope. The skier's mass is given, along with the slope's angle, and the problem explores different scenarios based on the skier's velocity being constant or increasing at specified rates.

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  • Participants discuss the components of forces acting on the skier, including gravitational force and wind force. There is an exploration of how to calculate the wind force based on different acceleration scenarios. Some participants question the use of sine versus cosine in the force calculations, while others clarify the relationship between net force and acceleration.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the calculations and assumptions regarding the forces involved. Some participants express uncertainty about the correct approach, while others provide guidance on focusing on forces rather than accelerations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the use of trigonometric functions in the calculations and the interpretation of forces in relation to the skier's motion. There is also mention of the need to adhere to homework guidelines, which may limit the information available for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



A 54 kg skier skis directly down a frictionless slope angled at 12° to the horizontal. Choose the positive direction of the x-axis to be downhill along the slope. A wind force with component Fx acts on the skier. What is Fx if the magnitude of the skier's velocity is (a) constant, (b) increasing at a rate of 1.1 m/s2, and (c) increasing at a rate of 2.2 m/s^2

Homework Equations



Fx=M*ax
Fy=M*ay


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First I need to solve for the weight acting in the x direction. Putting the positive x direction relevant to the motion of the skier, I get:

a. Fx=M*g*cos(12)=517.64 N
b. Since having no net force on an object gives no acceleration, by setting the force of the wind equal to the force of gravity in the x direction, this is achieved.

Fx(wind)=517.64 in the negative x direction
Ftotal=Fxg-Fxw Since Ftotal=0, Fxg=Fxw

c. Now is where I'm having trouble. If it is increasing at a velocity of 1.1 m/s^2, then a=1.1 m/s^2. So to find the acceraltion in x, the net force is divided by the mass, I think.

F=ma ===>>> 517.64 N / 54 kg = 9.5858 m/s^2. So now, I think i need to subtract 1.1 m/s^2 from that answer and multiply again by 54 to find the solution. So 9.5858 +1.1=10.69 m/s^2 * 54kg=577.04 N

d. Same as above, but add 2.2 to 9.5858...636.44 N

I'm not sure if any of this is right. Thanks in advance for the help.
 
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Im sure you know this, but there is no (d), the answer i gave for (b) was a continuation of (a).
 
"Fx=M*g*cos(12)=517.64 N"

but shouldn't that be sin?
 
Yes, that definitely should be sin, other than that, does it look correct, I feel like I'm missing something on such a basic problem.
 
c. Now is where I'm having trouble. If it is increasing at a velocity of 1.1 m/s^2, then a=1.1 m/s^2. So to find the acceraltion in x, the net force is divided by the mass, I think.


but net force is equal to m*1.1?
 
I figured it out...Insted of adding the accelerations, they needed to be subtracted as Fx is the force of the wind in relation to the motion of the skier. Thanks for the help.
 
lfwake2wake said:
I figured it out...Insted of adding the accelerations, they needed to be subtracted as Fx is the force of the wind in relation to the motion of the skier. Thanks for the help.

instead of using accelerations like that, I'd stick with forces...

Find the net force you need for the given acceleration... then use the fact that:

Fgravity - Fwind = m * acceleration

It is just like the first part except instead of 0 on the right side, you have a different value...
 
awesome!

never forget FBDs
 

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