Solving for x: sqrt(x+3)-2/4x-4 & 1-sqrt(cosx)/x^2

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The discussion revolves around solving two limits involving algebraic expressions and trigonometric functions. The first limit is \(\lim_{x \to 1} \frac{\sqrt{x+3}-2}{4x-4}\) and the second is \(\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-\sqrt{\cos x}}{x^2}\). Participants explore methods to evaluate these limits, including L'Hôpital's rule and algebraic manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify the limits by specifying the values to which \(x\) approaches.
  • One participant expresses confusion about limits and seeks assistance, indicating a lack of confidence in their understanding.
  • Another participant suggests using L'Hôpital's rule for both limits, noting that they result in indeterminate forms (0/0).
  • Several participants demonstrate algebraic manipulation to simplify the first limit, leading to a cancellation of terms.
  • One participant confirms that they arrived at a solution of \(\frac{1}{16}\) for the first limit using both algebraic manipulation and L'Hôpital's rule.
  • Another participant encourages the use of L'Hôpital's rule for the second limit, suggesting that it can be applied multiple times.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of L'Hôpital's rule and the algebraic steps for the first limit, with some confirming the result of \(\frac{1}{16}\). However, the discussion regarding the second limit remains unresolved, with no consensus on the approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the application of limits and the correctness of their solutions, indicating potential gaps in understanding or missing assumptions in their calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students seeking help with calculus limits, particularly those who are learning about L'Hôpital's rule and algebraic manipulation techniques in limit evaluation.

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the first one: sqrt(x + 3) - 2 / 4x -4
the second one : 1 - sqrt(cosx) / x^2
thnk you
 
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Hi aniel, :)

Welcome to Math Help Boards!

Is the first limit this? [math]\frac{\sqrt{x+3}-2}{4x-4}[/math]?

Is the second one this? [math]\frac{1-\sqrt{\cos{x}}}{x^2}[/math]?

The other thing is limits must have x approach some value, so we can't do anything with these two problems until we know that. You'll usually see something like [math]\lim_{x \rightarrow 3}[/math].
 
Im sorry i forgot where the x tends to go :/
lim (x-> 1) sqrt (x+3) - 2 /4x - 4
lim (x->0) 1- sqrt (cosx) / x^2

and I am so sorry taking your time but i get so confused with limits .
 
aniel said:
Im sorry i forgot where the x tends to go :/
lim (x-> 1) sqrt (x+3) - 2 /4x - 4
lim (x->0) 1- sqrt (cosx) / x^2

and I am so sorry taking your time but i get so confused with limits .

Don't be sorry at all :) This site was created so anyone can get free math help.

Ok, next question. Have you covered L'Hôpital's rule in your calculus class? Both limits end up being 0/0 and that is a special case where we can use a time saving shortcut.
 
Welll thank you sir :)
Yes we used the hospital rule and well i did some shortcuts at both of them but the book solution it doesn't coincides with my solution.

well i went till here to both of them
lim (x-> 1) sqrt (x+3) - 2 /4x - 4 = §
lim (x->1) [sqrt( (x+3) -2] *
[sqrt( (x+3) +2]/ (4x-4) *sqrt( (x+3) +2 =
lim (x->1) x+3-4 /4x-4 [
sqrt( (x+3) +2]

and to the second one:
ilm (x->0) 1- sqrt (cosx) / x^2
=lim (x->0) [1- sqrt (cosx)]*[1+ sqrt (cosx)] / x^2 * [sqrt(cosx)
=lim (x->0) sin^2x /[1 + sqrt(cosx)] *x^2

 
aniel said:
Welll thank you sir :)
Yes we used the hospital rule and well i did some shortcuts at both of them but the book solution it doesn't coincides with my solution.

You're doing them "the long way", which is fine just longer. I'll do the first one the way you started it though to get the answer :)

[math]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{\sqrt{x+3}-2}{4x-4} = \frac{\sqrt{x+3}-2}{4x-4} \cdot \frac{\sqrt{x+3}+2}{\sqrt{x+3}+2}=\frac{x-1}{(4x-4)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}[/math]

That's pretty much what you got to and is correct thus far. The "trick" here is seeing that [math]4x-4=4(x-1)[/math]. This will allow us to make a nice cancellation.

[math]\frac{x-1}{(4x-4)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}=\frac{x-1}{4(x-1)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}=\frac{1}{(4)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}[/math]

I haven't checked this solution, but I'm hoping that it's 1/16, which is what you get if you now direct substitute.
 
Than you sir yes i solved it and it is 1/16
my mistake its that i did in this way 4(x - 4/x) :/
 
I get the same result using L'Hôpital's rule:

$\displaystyle \lim_{x\to1}\frac{\sqrt{x+3}-2}{4x-4}=\lim_{x\to1}\frac{\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x+3}}}{4}= \frac{1}{16}$
 
aniel said:
Than you sir yes i solved it and it is 1/16
my mistake its that i did in this way 4(x - 4/x) :/

It happens. We all make mistakes like this. Just have to learn from them. You are doing really well though because you knew that you would have to cancel something in order to solve the problem, which is the key idea with these "indeterminate forms". Someone else is replying to this thread now, so I'll won't comment on #2 yet.

Once again, welcome to MHB! I hope you stick around and participate in our community.
 
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Well I am really thankfull sir...its my pleasure to be part of this group, i hope i can learn more now and on.
Congratulations about ur job here.Its a great thing .
Thank you again !
 
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Have you had any success with the second limit? Applying L'Hôpital's rule twice works nicely. :)
 
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Hello, aniel!

Here's the first one.

\lim_{x\to1}\frac{\sqrt{x + 3} - 2}{4x -4 }
Rationalize the numerator:

\frac{\sqrt{x+3} - 2}{4x-4}\cdot\frac{\sqrt{x+3}+2}{\sqrt{x+3}+2} \;=\; \frac{(x+3) - 4}{(4x-4)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}

. . .=\;\frac{x-1}{4(x-1)(\sqrt{x+3}+2)} \;=\;\frac{1}{4(\sqrt{x+3}+2)}Therefore: .\lim_{x\to1}\frac{1}{4(\sqrt{x+3}+2)} \;=\;\frac{1}{4(\sqrt{4}+2)} \;=\;\frac{1}{4(2+2)} \;=\;\frac{1}{16}
 

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