Solving fourth order differential equation ( )

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of two second order differential equations that can be transformed into fourth order differential equations. Participants explore methods for finding solutions and constants related to the equations, while addressing initial and terminal conditions.

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  • One participant presents two second order differential equations and expresses urgency in finding a solution.
  • Another participant suggests a general solution form involving exponential, sine, and cosine functions.
  • A participant proposes a specific solution for x1(t) but is corrected regarding the value of 'a' in the solution.
  • There is a discussion about the correct value of 'a' for the solution, with one participant concluding that 'a = 2' is correct after some confusion.
  • Another participant mentions methods for solving the equations, including the Laplace transform and eigenvalue-eigenvector approaches.
  • Participants discuss the need to find constants c1, c2, c3, and c4, with one questioning the form of the second derivative of x1.

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There is no consensus on the best approach to solve for the constants or the specific forms of the solutions, as participants present differing methods and interpretations of the equations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct values for constants and the forms of the solutions, indicating that the discussion is ongoing and unresolved.

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Solving fourth order differential equation (URGENT)

I have two second order differential equation which needs to be solved.

x1''(t) = 8 x2(t)
x2''(t) = 2 x1(t)

I have the initial conditions, x1(0) = 0, x2(0) = 1, and terminal conditions x1(pi/4) = 1, x2(pi/4) = 0.

Can anyone help me solve these equations?? What I did was to write the equations in terms of x1 and x2 respectively, but that gives me a fourth order differential

x1''''(t) = 16 x1(t)
x2''''(t) = 16 x2(t)

and I do not know how to solve for these. Can anyone help please??
 
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You know that the exponential, sine and cosine return to their original form after differentiating them four times. So try a solution of the form c_1 e^{a t}+c_2 e^{-at}+c_3 \sin(at)+c_4 \cos(at).
 


So the solution would be
x1(t) = c1 e^(16t) + c2 e^-(16t) + c3 sin(16t) + c4 cos(16t)??
 


No you found the wrong a. Differentiating e^16t 4 times would give 16^4 e^16t, which is not a solution.
 


would a = 4 be the correct solution??
 


I am not sure why you have to ask. Take the derivative of your function with a=4 , four times and you will see that it is not the correct solution.
 


I am sorry, I was taking the second dervivative for some reason. I conclude that a = 2 would be thr right solution. Am I correct??
 


Yes that's correct.
 


In order to solve for c1,c2,c3 and c4, I would need the second differential of x1. Would that be x1'' = c1 e^4t +c2 e^-4t ??
 
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sasikanth said:
I have two second order differential equation which needs to be solved.

x1''(t) = 8 x2(t)
x2''(t) = 2 x1(t)

Your equations are linear with constant coefficients. I would handle either the following ways

1. Apply the Laplace transform to the equations - this will transform the problem to solving algebraic system of equations or

2. Let the solution be x1(t)=q1ert and x2(t)=q2ert . Substitute this assumption and you can determine r, q1 and q2 from eigenvalue-eigenvector equation.
 
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I got the solution to the equation using the fourth order differential, but am stuck wolving for the constants c1,c2,c3,c4. If I wanted the second order differntail for x1, would that be x1'' = c1 e^4t +c2 e^-4t ??
 

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