Solving Function Problems: Intersection and Cardinality | Tips and Tricks

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter binks01
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Function
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving function problems related to set theory, specifically focusing on proving properties of functions and set cardinality. Participants explore concepts of set containment and the implications of cardinality in finite sets.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to prove that if f:X->Y and A & B are subsets of X, then f(A intersect B) is a subset of f(A) intersect f(B), but struggles with the transition in the proof.
  • Another participant notes that if y is in f(A ∩ B), then there exists an x in A ∩ B such that f(x) = y, suggesting a starting point for the proof.
  • There is a question about how to use the equality of cardinalities |A| = |B| = n to prove that a one-to-one function f:A->B is onto.
  • A participant prompts for clarification on what happens if f is not onto, indicating a need to explore the consequences of such a scenario.
  • One participant mentions that the precise answer may depend on the definition of finite sets being used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the proofs and the implications of cardinality, with no consensus reached on the methods to demonstrate that f is onto.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on specific definitions of finite sets and unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in set theory, function properties, and mathematical proofs, particularly those studying or teaching related topics in mathematics.

binks01
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
The first question I have is simple, but when I attempted it, I got stuck.

I'm trying to prove that if f:X->Y and A & B are subsets of X, that f(A intersect B) is a subset of f(A) intersect f(B).

I started by trying to show set containment, beginning with an arbitrary element in f(A intersect B). However, I cannot figure out how to transition into the right hand side of the problem.

----------------------------

The second question I have is proving that if A and B are finite sets having the same cardinality and f:A->B is one-to-one then f is onto.

I missed class this day and can't figure out what cardinality is by reading the chapter.

Someone please help! =\
 
Physics news on Phys.org
1. If [tex]y \in f(A \cap B)[/tex], then [tex]\exists x \in A \cap B[/tex] such that f(x) = y. Then...

2. The cardinality of a set is its "size". The cardinality of a finite set is the number of elements in it. Since A and B are finite sets having the same cardinality, |A| = |B| = n for some natural number n.
 
How do you use |A| = |B| = n to prove f is onto?
 
binks01 said:
How do you use |A| = |B| = n to prove f is onto?

What have you tried so far? What happens if it isn't onto? In other words what happens if there is an element of B that is not mapped to by any element of A?
 
Precise answer depends on used finite set definition.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K