Solving inequalities with rational expressions.

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The discussion revolves around solving the inequality involving rational expressions, specifically the inequality \(\frac{5x + 1}{x - 1} \geq 7\). Participants are attempting to identify the correct solution set and understand the reasoning behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of multiplying both sides of the inequality by \(x - 1\) and how this affects the direction of the inequality based on the sign of \(x - 1\). Questions arise about the validity of the original manipulations and the conditions under which they hold true.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made during the solution process, particularly regarding the behavior of the inequality at critical points such as \(x = 1\). Some participants have provided guidance on checking specific values and reconsidering the setup of the inequality, while others express confusion about the steps taken and the resulting solution set.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of rational expressions and inequalities, with some noting the importance of parentheses in mathematical expressions to avoid misinterpretation. There is also recognition of the need to consider cases where the denominator may approach zero.

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Homework Statement


Identify the solution set of the inequality.

Homework Equations


5x + 1 / x- 1 ≥ 7


The Attempt at a Solution


I multiplied both sides by x - 1 which gave me 5x+1 ≥ 7x - 7
Then I combined like terms together which gave me 8 ≥ 2x
I divided both sides by 2 which gave me 4 ≥ x.
Now that's not the answer. The answer is 1 < x ≤ 4.
Why is that?
 
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Substitute x=1 into the first relation and see what happens?
What happens to it when x < 1?
 
viet1919 said:

Homework Statement


Identify the solution set of the inequality.

Homework Equations


5x + 1 / x- 1 ≥ 7


The Attempt at a Solution


I multiplied both sides by x - 1 which gave me 5x+1 ≥ 7x - 7
Then I combined like terms together which gave me 8 ≥ 2x
I divided both sides by 2 which gave me 4 ≥ x.
Now that's not the answer. The answer is 1 < x ≤ 4.
Why is that?

Hi Viet, welcome to PF.

Did you mean 5x+\frac{1}{x}-1\ge7 or \frac{5x+1}{x-1}\ge7 ? Do not forget the parentheses!
Multiplying both sides of an inequality with a negative quantity will flip the inequality over. So you keep the inequality when multiplying by x-1 if x>1, and then you get x ≤4.

Assuming x<1 you get contradiction.

ehild
 
viet1919 said:

Homework Statement


Identify the solution set of the inequality.

Homework Equations


5x + 1 / x- 1 ≥ 7


The Attempt at a Solution


I multiplied both sides by x - 1 which gave me 5x+1 ≥ 7x - 7
Then I combined like terms together which gave me 8 ≥ 2x
I divided both sides by 2 which gave me 4 ≥ x.
Now that's not the answer. The answer is 1 < x ≤ 4.
Why is that?

Your inequality---as written--- is
f(x) = 5x + \frac{1}{x} -1 \geq 7
The 'boundary' points are where f(x) = 7 exactly, so are given by the roots of the quadratic equation ##5x^2+1 = 8x,## or
x = \frac{4}{5} \pm \frac{\sqrt{11}}{5} \doteq 0.133675, \:1.463325
Note that f(x) < 0 for x < 0, so we need x ≥ 0. For ##x \to 0+## or ##x \to +\infty## we have ##f(x) \to + \infty > 7,## so the solution is ##0 < x \leq 0.144675## and ##x \geq 1.463325##.

All this is under the assumption that what you wrote is what you meant when read using standard rules. If you had meant (5x + 1)/(x-1) ≥ 7 you would have used parentheses.
 
\frac{5x + 1}{x - 1} ≥ 7
That is what I meant. Sorry. My first time using the forums. I didn't know what I was doing. Now I am still confused on how to solve this. As I mentioned before, in my method of solving this I ended up with a one inequality solution: x ≥ 4
Why is that that's not the answer? The answer is 1 < x ≤ 4. Where did the 1 come from?
 
viet1919 said:
\frac{5x + 1}{x - 1} ≥ 7
That is what I meant. Sorry. My first time using the forums. I didn't know what I was doing. Now I am still confused on how to solve this. As I mentioned before, in my method of solving this I ended up with a one inequality solution: x ≥ 4
Why is that that's not the answer? The answer is 1 < x ≤ 4. Where did the 1 come from?
Please reread post #2 - try the suggestion and you'll see where the 1 came from.
Please reread post #3 to see the origin of your mistake.

Your mistake was to fail to take account of the situation where (x-1)≤0.
 
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I THINK understand now. Thank you.
So...
X is not less than 1 because they are the same value making X greater than 1. Is that right?
 
When you multiply an inequality with a negative quantity, it flips over.

See an example:

-2<1 is true.

Multiply both sides by -1: you get 2 < -1 which is false. You have to change "<" to ">".

2>-1.

If x-1<0 and you multiply with it, the inequality becomes 5x-1≤7(x-1) --> 6≤2x, x>3 , but you assumed that x was less than 1, so you arrived at contradiction. x can not be less than 1 and greater than 3 at the same time.

X also cannot be 1, as it would mean zero in the denominator. So x>1.

ehild
 
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I completely understand now. Thank you very much and sorry for such a late reply. What you did was work with each equation individually. Sorry fro not understanding so fast. My brain takes in things differently than most people. When using math terms, I'm not that well at interpreting it unless it's shown. Thank you.
 
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I think most people understand Maths through simple examples. When in doubt doing something, try it on simple numerical examples. It helps. ehild
 

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