Solving Kinematic Movement Equation: Bike Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around a kinematic movement equation related to a bike accelerating uniformly from rest to a specified speed over a given distance. Participants are examining the calculation of acceleration using different approaches and equations.

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  • Participants explore the use of various kinematic equations to determine acceleration, including the relationship between final speed, distance, and time. There is a focus on understanding the distinction between final speed and average speed in the context of uniformly accelerated motion.

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Some participants have raised questions about the validity of their calculations and the assumptions underlying their use of different equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider average speed rather than final speed in certain calculations, leading to a deeper exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of using final velocity in place of average velocity, which is crucial for correctly applying the kinematic equations in this scenario.

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Hi,
It's my first post here on the forum and I'm just looking for an answer to a basic kinematic movement equation.

This is the text of a problem:
"A bike accelerates uniformly from rest to a speed of 7.10 m/s over a distance of 35.4 m. Determine the acceleration of the bike."

Now, in the solution, they used v2=v02+2*a*s.
(s=d, v=vf, v0=vi)
To derive from that:
v2=2*a*s
v2/2*s=a


(7,1m/s)2/2*35,4m=a
50,41/70,8=a
a=0,712m/s2


Now my question is how I got a different answer by using a different equation, i.e.
a=v/t
a=v/(s/v)
a=7,1/(35.4/7.1)
a=7.1/4,985
a=1.424m/s2

What is the difference/mistake here that I/they did to get a different result?
Thank you in advance.
 
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FelixLudi said:
Now my question is how I got a different answer by using a different equation, i.e.
a=v/t
a=v/(s/v)

In these equations you are using ##v## as final speed ##a=v/t## and as average speed ##t=s/v##.
 
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But if I use a=vt then I will get m/s * s = m so vt should equal to s instead of a.
By that I mean shouldn't vt be equal to s and not a.

I don't understand what did I do wrong.

Edit: If I use a=vt then a=v*(s/v) which is basically a=s.
 
FelixLudi said:
But if I use a=vt then I will get m/s * s = m so vt should equal to s instead of a.
By that I mean shouldn't vt be equal to s and not a.

I don't understand what did I do wrong.

Sorry, I had a typo. I meant ##a = v/t##, of course.

##vt \ne s## if ##v## is final speed.

For example. You go out in your car and crawl through traffic for nearly an hour. Finally, you get onto a clear road and accelerate to ##100km/h##. So, you say:

My speed is ##v = 100km/h##

I've been driving for ##t = 1## hour.

Therefore, the distance I've driven is ##s = vt = 100km##

But, you might have only driven a few kms. In any case, you can't use your final speed to calculate how far you have driven.
 
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FelixLudi said:
Now my question is how I got a different answer by using a different equation, i.e.
a=v/t
a=v/(s/v)

You have calculated t from s/v but that only works if v is the average velocity. In this problem v is the final velocity not the average.

In this problem the velocity increases from 0 to v in a straight line (constant acceleration) so the average velocity is v/2 and your equation becomes

a = v/(s/v/2)
= v2/2s

which is the same equation as method 1).
 
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Oh, so it has to be average speed instead of final speed?
Didn't even notice that factor.

Thank you very much.
 

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