Solving Malonic Acid Neutralization: 30mL sample, 35mL 2M NaOH

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem involving the neutralization of malonic acid (C3H4O4) with sodium hydroxide (NaOH). Participants explore the stoichiometry of the reaction and how to calculate the mass of malonic acid in a 30mL sample that requires 35mL of 2M NaOH for complete neutralization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that malonic acid is a diprotic acid and proposes the chemical equation for its neutralization with NaOH, suggesting a stoichiometric ratio of 2:1 for NaOH to malonic acid.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to determine the number of moles of malonic acid present in the solution and suggests using the formula weight to convert moles to grams.
  • There is uncertainty expressed about how to incorporate the 30mL sample volume into the calculations.
  • One participant asserts that the volume of the solution is not important for calculating the mass of malonic acid, indicating that it can be ignored unless concentration is of interest.
  • Another participant confirms that the 30mL sample does not need to be included in the calculations, restating the problem in a simplified form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the volume of the sample does not need to be included in the calculations for mass, but there is some initial confusion regarding its relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the stoichiometric relationships and the implications of sample volume on calculations, but do not resolve the potential impact of concentration on the overall problem.

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Hey guys, I'm having a problem with this question;

Malonic Acid, C3H4O4, is a diprotic acid. How many grams of it are in a 30mL sample that requires 35mL of 2M NaOH for complete neutralization?

Since Malonic Acid is diprotic, I think the chemical equation is;
C3H4O4 + 2NaOH --> Na2C3H2O4 + 2H2O .

I knw that if the equation is true, the stoichiometric ratio of NaOH : C3H4O4 is 2 : 1 so the number of moles of Malonic Acid is 0.5 x (2 x (35 / 1000)mol = 0.035mol .

Hence, the mass of Malonic Acid required would be 0.035mol x molar mass. However, how did the 30mL fit in? Thanks.
 
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Try to think in problem solving steps. First, how many MOLES of the acid are present in the titrated solution? Now use the formula weight of the malonic acid to convert the moles to grams.
 
First, how many MOLES of the acid are present in the titrated solution?

I found out alrdy that the number of moles of Malonic Acid is 0.5 x (2 x (35 / 1000)mol = 0.035mol .

Now use the formula weight of the malonic acid to convert the moles to grams.

Yes, the mass of Malonic Acid required would be 0.035mol x molar mass or formula weight. However, I am not sure how I'm supposed to incorporate the 30mL sample part in the solution.

Thanks for the helping though.
 
The volume of solution in which your sample is dissolved is not important. You were interested in the grams (the mass) of the malonic acid present.

I am not sure how I'm supposed to incorporate the 30mL sample part in the solution.

If you were interested in the concentration of malonic acid, then you would have a little more calculation to handle.
 
Oh, ok; so I don't hve to include the 30mL part in my calculations, right?
 
Yes, you can ignore it. This question is equivalent to:

Malonic Acid, C3H4O4, is a diprotic acid. How many grams of it are in a sample that requires 35mL of 2M NaOH for complete neutralization?
 
Ok then, I get it. Thanks for the help.
 

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