Solving Mass of 2nd Disk with Angular Momentum

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a solid disk of mass 2.74 kg spinning at a certain angular velocity, with a second disk dropping onto it. The objective is to determine the mass of the second disk after they reach a common angular velocity. The context includes concepts from angular momentum and rotational dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum as the primary principle, questioning the relevance of gravitational acceleration (g) in the context of the problem. There are attempts to set up equations based on angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy, with some participants expressing confusion about the correct application of these concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various setups for the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct use of angular momentum, and there is a recognition of potential errors in the calculations being performed. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the initial and final angular velocities, as well as the radii of the disks, are critical to the calculations. There is a concern about the implications of the mass of the second disk being less than or equal to the first, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the setup.

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Homework Statement



NOTE: Use g=9.809 m/s^2
A solid disk of radius R and mass 2.74 kg is spinning at angular velocity 61.1 rpm about a vertical axis. A solid disk of radius 2R drops concentrically on the first (sort of like dropping an old-fashioned 33 rpm record on a 45 rpm one), so that eventually the two cease to slip relative to each other and end up spinning at 24.7 rpm. What is the mass of the second disk?

Homework Equations



KE=1/2 mv^2 + 1/2 Iw^2 = 1/2 mv^2 (1+(I/(mr^2)))

The Attempt at a Solution



Is there another equation that is supposed to be used to solve this problem? Because I thought that this would be the only equation (where I have initial equal to final according to the conservation of energy), but, at the beginning, they hint that I need to use a value of g.
Then I started thinking about the conservation of angular momentum, which had the equation alpha=mgr / (I+mr^2), where I would have to use the value of g and I could set it up as intial equal to final. However, this setup did not work either.
Another possibility could be that I am just plugging in the wrong numbers. For the inital mass I am plugging in the first mass that is mentioned and the final mass is the two masses added together, but solving for the second mass. Initial velocity is 61.1 m/s and final velocity is 49.4 m/s (v=rw). (I=1/2 mr^2). inital radius is 1 and final radius is 2...can you please help me figure out where I went wrong?
 
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In this case angular momentum is conserved, not rotational kinetic energy. Find the angular momentum of the first disk and equate it to the combined angular momentum of the two disks combined.
 
okay...so where would I incorporate g if angular momentum = Iw^2 ?
 
You may not need "g". Does it bother you very much if you get the correct solution without using "g"?
angular momentum = Iw^2 ? -- It is wrong, dimensionally or otherwise!
 
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oh sorry! I meant L=Iw
 
okay... so I set it up as Iw=Iw...number-wise it's 1/2 mr^2*w= 1/2 mr^2*w...or 1/2(2.74)(1)^2(61.1)=1/2(2.74+x)(2)^2(24.7)...but the answer that I am getting for 2.74+x is not larger than 2.74...so if I subtract it, I will get a negative number...what am I doing wrong?
 
map7s said:
okay... so I set it up as Iw=Iw...number-wise it's 1/2 mr^2*w= 1/2 mr^2*w...or 1/2(2.74)(1)^2(61.1)=1/2(2.74+x)(2)^2(24.7)...but the answer that I am getting for 2.74+x is not larger than 2.74...so if I subtract it, I will get a negative number...what am I doing wrong?

Use I1*w1 = (I1 + I2)*wf.
Note that for I1 radius is R; for I2 radius is 2R.
 
oh...okay...thank you so much!
 

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