Solving Mean Value Theorem: f(x)=sqrtX-2x [0,4]

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The discussion revolves around applying the Mean Value Theorem to the function f(x) = √x - 2x over the interval [0, 4]. Participants are exploring the calculation of the derivative and the average rate of change of the function over the specified interval.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to find the derivative of the function and set it equal to the average rate of change. There are questions about the correctness of calculations and interpretations of the Mean Value Theorem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's calculations and interpretations. Some have expressed confusion regarding the application of the theorem and the calculations involved, while others are trying to clarify the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the calculations of f(a) and f(b), as well as the interpretation of the Mean Value Theorem. Participants are encouraged to substitute the actual values into the formula to verify their results.

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1. Use the Mean Value Theorem
f(x) = sqrtX - 2x at [0,4] so a = 0, b = 4

3. So I found the derivative (which is the slope) and then set the derivative equal to the 1 because of f(b)-f(a)/b-a
f'(x) = 1/2sqrtX - 2 so 1/2sqrtX - 2 = 0, then 1/2sqrtX = 2, then my solution is x = 1/16

Just would like a heads up if this is correct, thanks in advanced.
 
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npellegrino said:
1. Use the Mean Value Theorem
f(x) = sqrtX - 2x at [0,4] so a = 0, b = 4

3. So I found the derivative (which is the slope) and then set the derivative equal to the 1 because of f(b)-f(a)/b-a
f'(x) = 1/2sqrtX - 2 so 1/2sqrtX - 2 = 0, then 1/2sqrtX = 2, then my solution is x = 1/16

Just would like a heads up if this is correct, thanks in advanced.

No, this isn't correct. I think you probably made a mistake in your calculation of (f(b) - f(a))/(b - a), so check your work on this calculation.

Notice also that the extra parentheses I used (and you didn't) are necessary. The correct interpretation of what you wrote would be
f(b) - \frac{f(a)}{b} - a

and I'm sure that's not what you intended.
 
well the Mean Value Theorem is
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so if a = 0 and b = 4 wouldn't the solution be 1 ? then you set the derivative of the function to 1 which gave me 1/16 ?
 
I think you might be calculating f'(a) and f'(b), instead of f(a) and f(b). Anyway (f(b) - f(a))/(b - a) \neq 1.
 
subsitute the values of a and b into the formula
find the derivative of f(x)
and after youve got f'(x) and (f(b)-f(a))/b-a
find your x
 
the derivative i got for f(x) is 1/2sqrtX - 2 then i set that equals to (f(b)-f(a))/b-a which is 1, so I'm trying to figure 1/2sqrtX - 2 = 1 and I'm having trouble figuring the fraction
 
how are you getting the slope = 1, i got -6/4
f(4) = 4^1/2 - 8 = -6
f(0) = 0
(-6-0)/(4-0) does not equal to 1

well using my values i get 1/(2(x^1/2)) = -6/4+2
you can probably work your way from there
 
npellegrino said:
the derivative i got for f(x) is 1/2sqrtX - 2 then i set that equals to (f(b)-f(a))/b-a which is 1, so I'm trying to figure 1/2sqrtX - 2 = 1 and I'm having trouble figuring the fraction
Stop already! (f(b)-f(a))/(b-a) IS NOT EQUAL TO 1 !

Put in the actual numbers for a and b and do the calculation!
 
You are not taking the derivatives of f(b) and f(a)... the mean value theorem states that if f is continuous on the closed intervals [a,b] which in this case is [0,4] and differentiable on the open interval (a,b,) then there exists a number c in (a,b) such that
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  • #10
Mark44 said:
Stop already! (f(b)-f(a))/(b-a) IS NOT EQUAL TO 1 !

Put in the actual numbers for a and b and do the calculation!

maybe my professor has taught me wrong?
 
  • #11
just look at the formula and substitute a and b... into the equation
 
  • #12
Alright I'm having a brainfart i see what you are saying.
 
  • #13
f(4) = sqrt4 - 8 = -6
f(0) = sqrt0 - 2(0) = 0
 
  • #14
Alright i think i solved it... finally thanks for the help i really do appreciate it from you 2 :)f(4) = -6
f(0) = 0
which gives me -6/4

the derivative 1/2sqrtX -2 = -6/4 which will give me 1/2sqrtx = 1/2 then x = 1
 
  • #16
npellegrino said:
maybe my professor has taught me wrong?
I'm pretty sure he didn't teach you that (2 - 8)/(4 - 0) = 1.
 
  • #17
Mark44 said:
I'm pretty sure he didn't teach you that (2 - 8)/(4 - 0) = 1.

not so sure about that, sometimes the things they teach you are so obstract that they themselves get confused :confused:
 
  • #18
No question that an instructor can occasionally get confused with some abstract calculation, but (2 - 8)/(4 - 0) in no way can be considered as abstract.
 
  • #19
indeed it is not abstract, the mean value theorem is very elementary since its dealing with slopes and derivatives so its easy to understand
 

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